RE: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

But surely, since there must have been 17,000 feet of water covering the
earth's surface, the imagination could picture some pretty mean forces at
work when that water receded. One could also try to imagine where did all
the water go. Maybe it was turned into water vapor and released into space
as a result of the million times the normal radioactive decay rates. Would
that much radiation melt the earth's core in addition to cooking Noah?

Maybe a more realistic YEC theory would be to posit that God simply created
the Grand Canyon in its present form. After all, those rocks sliced through
catastrophically would have to be formed sometime. Why should God have used
such inefficiency of causing all that erosion into the oceans? And why
aren't there Grand Canyons all over the earth, if there was a worldwide
flood of such proportions?

Jon Tandy

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Behalf Of Robert Schneider
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:06 PM
To: Brent Foster; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

I'm sure that I am one of many of you who have hiked into the Grand Canyon.
I went down the Kaibab Trail from the South Rim and hiked back up on the
Bright Angel Trail. Standing at the oasis at Indian Garden and looking up at

what appeared then to be a sheer wall that five miles of switchbacks made
hikeable, I could never imagine that cut made by rapid erosion.

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brent Foster" <bdffoster@charter.net>
To: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

> This is true, and I think just as ridiculous as the rapid deposition
> is
> the rapid erosion that YECs propose for the Grand Canyon. To make rapid
> erosion even conceivable YECs suggest that it occurred in soft sediment,
> which it certainly would be if freshly deposited. But the striking thing
> about Grand Canyon is its stair-stepping topography with cliffs hundreds
> of feet high in the resistant sandstones and gentle slopes on the easily
> eroded shales. But that is the exact OPPOSITE of what would occur in soft
> sediment. Any construction worker knows you can't dig a 3 foot trench in
> wet sand and have it stand up for 5 minutes, much less hold up a 200 foot
> face for 5000 years. Sand has no cohesion. Moist clay, on the other hand
> has lots of cohesion and will support a vertical face of modest hight for
> a short time.
>
> Brent
>
>
> ---- Charles Carrigan <CCarriga@olivet.edu> wrote:
>
> =============
> To this geologist it is mind-boggling how creationists can state "it
> is
> obvious these layers were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But
> evolutionists deliberately choose to ignore the obvious..."
>
> It is in fact the creationist geologists who completely ignore the
> obvious
> evidence of the rock layers in the Grand Canyon. Watching S. Austin, K.
> Wise, et al. in their old video on the subject is just painful. They
> focus on a few completely unimportant details and ignore the obvious
> evidence in front of them - most ironic part is their comments about the
> Hermit Shale (or was it the Bright Angel Shale?). How they stand there
> and look at 50+ meters of shale and at the same time talk about rapid
> deposition with a straight face is just unfathomable.
>
> Your comments Bill about the clear differentiation of layers is
> completely
> appropriate.
>
> Best,
> Charles
>
>
> _______________________________
> Charles W. Carrigan, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor of Geology
> Olivet Nazarene Univ., Dept. of Physical Sciences
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>
> "To a naturalist nothing is indifferent;
> the humble moss that creeps upon the stone
> is equally interesting as the lofty pine which so beautifully adorns
> the
> valley or the mountain:
> but to a naturalist who is reading in the face of the rocks the annals of
> a former world,
> the mossy covering which obstructs his view,
> and renders indistinguishable the different species of stone,
> is no less than a serious subject of regret."
> - James Hutton
> _______________________________
>
>
>>>> Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com> 9/4/2006 6:57:01 AM
>>>> >>>
>
> AIG writes
>> An excellent example to illustrate this can be found when you visit
>> the Grand Canyon. The park rangers will tell you that the layers of
>> rock in the Canyon are the result of slow processes that have been
>> going on for millions of years.
>>
>> But the evidence from the rock layers fits with what the Bible
>> tells
>> us concerning the judgment of the Flood. It is obvious these layers
>> were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But evolutionists
>> deliberately choose to ignore the obvious*why? They have been
>> blinded
>> by the god of this world and don't want to submit to the God of the
>> Bible!
>>
> To my admittedly untrained eye, the rock layers in the Grand Canyon
> look
> as
> though they had been deposited over great periods of time. If they had
> been
> deposited in the flood, I don't believe we would see the clear
> differentiation
> of successive layers that we see. How the creationists draw this
> conclusion is
> beyond me.
>
> Bill Hamilton
> William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
> 248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
> "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
>
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