Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

Surely physical conditions were different during the Flood, after all the
rate of radioactive decay was much greater

Michael
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From: "Brent Foster" <bdffoster@charter.net>
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Subject: Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

> This is true, and I think just as ridiculous as the rapid deposition is
> the rapid erosion that YECs propose for the Grand Canyon. To make rapid
> erosion even conceivable YECs suggest that it occurred in soft sediment,
> which it certainly would be if freshly deposited. But the striking thing
> about Grand Canyon is its stair-stepping topography with cliffs hundreds
> of feet high in the resistant sandstones and gentle slopes on the easily
> eroded shales. But that is the exact OPPOSITE of what would occur in soft
> sediment. Any construction worker knows you can't dig a 3 foot trench in
> wet sand and have it stand up for 5 minutes, much less hold up a 200 foot
> face for 5000 years. Sand has no cohesion. Moist clay, on the other hand
> has lots of cohesion and will support a vertical face of modest hight for
> a short time.
>
> Brent
>
>
> ---- Charles Carrigan <CCarriga@olivet.edu> wrote:
>
> =============
> To this geologist it is mind-boggling how creationists can state "it is
> obvious these layers were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But
> evolutionists deliberately choose to ignore the obvious..."
>
> It is in fact the creationist geologists who completely ignore the obvious
> evidence of the rock layers in the Grand Canyon. Watching S. Austin, K.
> Wise, et al. in their old video on the subject is just painful. They
> focus on a few completely unimportant details and ignore the obvious
> evidence in front of them - most ironic part is their comments about the
> Hermit Shale (or was it the Bright Angel Shale?). How they stand there
> and look at 50+ meters of shale and at the same time talk about rapid
> deposition with a straight face is just unfathomable.
>
> Your comments Bill about the clear differentiation of layers is completely
> appropriate.
>
> Best,
> Charles
>
>
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> "To a naturalist nothing is indifferent;
> the humble moss that creeps upon the stone
> is equally interesting as the lofty pine which so beautifully adorns the
> valley or the mountain:
> but to a naturalist who is reading in the face of the rocks the annals of
> a former world,
> the mossy covering which obstructs his view,
> and renders indistinguishable the different species of stone,
> is no less than a serious subject of regret."
> - James Hutton
> _______________________________
>
>
>>>> Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com> 9/4/2006 6:57:01 AM >>>
>
> AIG writes
>> An excellent example to illustrate this can be found when you visit
>> the Grand Canyon. The park rangers will tell you that the layers of
>> rock in the Canyon are the result of slow processes that have been
>> going on for millions of years.
>>
>> But the evidence from the rock layers fits with what the Bible
>> tells
>> us concerning the judgment of the Flood. It is obvious these layers
>> were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But evolutionists
>> deliberately choose to ignore the obvious*why? They have been
>> blinded
>> by the god of this world and don't want to submit to the God of the
>> Bible!
>>
> To my admittedly untrained eye, the rock layers in the Grand Canyon look
> as
> though they had been deposited over great periods of time. If they had
> been
> deposited in the flood, I don't believe we would see the clear
> differentiation
> of successive layers that we see. How the creationists draw this
> conclusion is
> beyond me.
>
> Bill Hamilton
> William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
> 248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
> "...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31
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