Re: [asa] grand canyon layers: was The apostle warns of evolution

This is true, and I think just as ridiculous as the rapid deposition is the rapid erosion that YECs propose for the Grand Canyon. To make rapid erosion even conceivable YECs suggest that it occurred in soft sediment, which it certainly would be if freshly deposited. But the striking thing about Grand Canyon is its stair-stepping topography with cliffs hundreds of feet high in the resistant sandstones and gentle slopes on the easily eroded shales. But that is the exact OPPOSITE of what would occur in soft sediment. Any construction worker knows you can't dig a 3 foot trench in wet sand and have it stand up for 5 minutes, much less hold up a 200 foot face for 5000 years. Sand has no cohesion. Moist clay, on the other hand has lots of cohesion and will support a vertical face of modest hight for a short time.

Brent

---- Charles Carrigan <CCarriga@olivet.edu> wrote:

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To this geologist it is mind-boggling how creationists can state "it is obvious these layers were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But evolutionists deliberately choose to ignore the obvious..."
 
It is in fact the creationist geologists who completely ignore the obvious evidence of the rock layers in the Grand Canyon. Watching S. Austin, K. Wise, et al. in their old video on the subject is just painful. They focus on a few completely unimportant details and ignore the obvious evidence in front of them - most ironic part is their comments about the Hermit Shale (or was it the Bright Angel Shale?). How they stand there and look at 50+ meters of shale and at the same time talk about rapid deposition with a straight face is just unfathomable.
 
Your comments Bill about the clear differentiation of layers is completely appropriate.
 
Best,
Charles
 
 
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"To a naturalist nothing is indifferent;
the humble moss that creeps upon the stone
is equally interesting as the lofty pine which so beautifully adorns the valley or the mountain:
but to a naturalist who is reading in the face of the rocks the annals of a former world,
the mossy covering which obstructs his view,
and renders indistinguishable the different species of stone,
is no less than a serious subject of regret."
          - James Hutton
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>>> Bill Hamilton <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com> 9/4/2006 6:57:01 AM >>>

AIG writes
> An excellent example to illustrate this can be found when you visit
> the Grand Canyon. The park rangers will tell you that the layers of
> rock in the Canyon are the result of slow processes that have been
> going on for millions of years.
>
> But the evidence from the rock layers fits with what the Bible tells
> us concerning the judgment of the Flood. It is obvious these layers
> were laid down catastrophically, not slowly. But evolutionists
> deliberately choose to ignore the obvious*why? They have been blinded
> by the god of this world and don't want to submit to the God of the
> Bible!
>
To my admittedly untrained eye, the rock layers in the Grand Canyon look as
though they had been deposited over great periods of time. If they had been
deposited in the flood, I don't believe we would see the clear differentiation
of successive layers that we see. How the creationists draw this conclusion is
beyond me.

Bill Hamilton
William E. Hamilton, Jr., Ph.D.
248.652.4148 (home) 248.821.8156 (mobile)
"...If God is for us, who is against us?" Rom 8:31

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