Re: Duane Gish in Peru

Didnt anyone else spot the howler;

I should have said "True origins":
> http://www.trueorigins.org
> and not
> http://www.talkorigins.org
which is a load of YEC nonsense and misrepresentation.
The NCSE is devising a suitable penance for me

Michael

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Michael Roberts
  To: Oscar Gonzalez ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2004 11:26 AM
  Subject: Re: Duane Gish in Peru

  Oscar
  You work for a great group A Rocha, and have a problem over there.

  Gish may be an old man but that does not excuse him for coming out with nonsense which he must know in his heart of hearts is absolutely untrue.
  I make some comments on what he says.
       
    (1) There is no evidence of any kind of transicional forms. There is not any fossil that shows the transcicion of invertebrate to vertebrate. The first bat for example, had its sonar system complete.

    I dont think he would want to find a transitional form, but the Platypus is a living transitional,

    (2) When he was asked on the Archaeopterix, he replied that it was a true bird. It had wings with normal feathers, perching feet and good flight. The teeth and claws don't give any evidence of antiquity. Quoted Feduccia telling that he believes that Archaeopterix was like a modern bird. A feather is very different from a reptilian scale. The claim of an issue of National Geographic magazine that the missing link between birds and dinosaurs was discovered in China was later confirmed to be a faked specimen.

    Someone does a fake then everyone else is a fraudster.!!!!

    (3) Due to the fall of man, animals began to kill each others and changed from vegetarian to meat eaters.

    Here I made him the question "How the meat eaters were designed after the fall?" He explained again the consequences of the fall and said that God could have created animals with sharp teeth to be vegetarian and then changed to meat eaters.

    How? Rapid mutations and very rapid evolution as H Morris argues. This is based on a wrong reading of Gen 3.

    (4) Dinosaurs are extint because they failed to repopulate the earth after the flood. The new weather has less water vapor that pre-flood athmosphere.

    This is pure imagination without any evidence

    (5) He recognized that no human bones were found in the same place as dinosaur bones, but quotes that footprints of humans and dinosaurs have been found together

    Doesnt he know Paluxy is not true!!

    (6) The radiometric methods to date the earth are based in assumptions and can not give us any evidence for dating any rock.

    The usual misrepresentation of radiometric dating

    (7) Genetics give us by exploring mithocondrial DNA to a 6000 year of the first human. The 200000 years data is an assumption of evolutionists.
    (8) Evolution violates everything about physical and chemical laws.
    (9) Evolutionist dominates all the educational system in USA, for creation scientists is almost impossible to publish in technical journals.

    Not surprising when you consider YEC arguemnts and bad science!!

    Creation is as religious as evolution, so both should be taught in public schools.

    This goes on and on. Try True origins , asa website , write to Glenn Branch at
    branch@ncseweb.org or look at the NCSE site at http://www.ncseweb.org
    Hope this helps

    Michael

     
Received on Mon Oct 18 14:12:33 2004