RE: Shapes of a Wedge

Am I to understand NO as a reply to my email? Not sure to what you are answering, but if the idea of culture, you are correct. We should not abide by culture, or even majority consent, but that which God wills. All else is human and not godly. We should only accept that which God wants. That is what Burgy does also but he does it from a different perspective. He sees it more physically, others see it more emotionally. Unfortunately, very few of us, see it as spiritually.

I pary for a spiritual relationship with everyone.
I pray for an emotional relationship for those with whom I care.
I pray for a physical relationship with ONLY those whom I care and already have a spiritual relationship and are able to fulfill GOD's will.

That is a high mark but that is the mark which we must all achieve.

Objectionists hear: I love my children spiritually and emotionally, but not physically. Why? As it was pointed out, physical only entails having children. That is not our only purpose, but it is our purpose physically. Not an "orgasm". SORRY to those who may be offended. If one was to dig into one's BEING, one would find the physical one the outside (the least of which is important, only for child bearing), next one would find one's emotions(the liason), then one would find one's spirit which is only true to oneself but not to all. Last, one would find GOD's spirit which is true to all but may not agree to one's physical, emotional, or spiritual needs, but fulfills for which God intended us. May God bring us all to that point.

Don P

-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]On
Behalf Of Robert Schneider
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 15:44
To: Alexanian, Moorad; Don Perrett
Cc: ASA Discussions
Subject: Re: Shapes of a Wedge

No.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "Don Perrett" <donperrett@genesisproclaimed.org>; "Robert Schneider"
<rjschn39@bellsouth.net>
Cc: "ASA Discussions" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Shapes of a Wedge

> What next bestiality? Moorad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Don Perrett
> Sent: Wed 6/9/2004 2:59 PM
> To: Robert Schneider
> Cc: ASA Discussions
> Subject: RE: Shapes of a Wedge
>
>
>
> Bob wrote:
> This is all beside the point that men in African cultures maintain close
> bonds with other men, often including sexual relations. But these
> relationships are not conceived in terms of western sexual identities. I
> recall the story of a native of Great Britain living in a homoerotic
> relationship in an African country with a man who was a native of that
> country. Their relationship was accepted in the man's family and
considered
> acceptable. However, when the couple moved to England and the African
found
> himself labeled with our western language as a homosexual, he became quite
> indignant. He simply did not conceive of himself in such terms.
>
> This phenomenon is far more complex than we westerners realize, and
appeals
> to common interpretations of certain biblical passages in the abesence of
> any experience with same sex relationships among friends or acquaintances
do
> nothing to lead Christians to give serious thought to the whole matter.
> Claiming that the Bible condemns homosexuality and that settles the issue
is
> in my view a cop-out.
>
> Bob Schneider
>
>
> Don:
> So does this mean that if it is culturally acceptable then it is
acceptable
> to God? If so then what does one say to a culture that allows sex with
> children? Or other African practices, such as genital mutilation? Should
> we also accept this? Just because it is acceptable to one does not mean
it
> must be accepted by all. What others do is for God to judge. I for
myself
> choose otherwise. I do not condemn those who sin, for I am also a sinner,
> but I will not accept the fact that they are not sinning solely because
> someone else says it's ok. Show me where in the Bible it allows it and I
> will believe.
>
> Don Perrett
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John W Burgeson" <jwburgeson@juno.com>
> To: <mtharp@exammaster.com>
> Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Shapes of a Wedge
>
>
> > >>How can any Christian advocate gay marriage when the Bible (both old
> > and new testament) so clearly speaks out against it? I understand that
> > you are not personally advocating that position, but you don't seem to
> > see such a position as contradictory to the Word of God. Please
explain.
> > >>
> >
> > Lots of material on my website, page 2, section 10, on all sides of the
> > issue. Some people here get bent out of shape when I mention this stuff,
> > so I will not go over already plowed ground.
> >
> > The issue (#1) of whether ALL same-gender intimacy is sin is one issue.
> > The issue (#2) of Gay marriage is another issue. I have a position
> > statement on the first issue on my website, written after a several
years
> > study in 2001; it is still my position.
> >
> > I have not (yet) taken a position on #2, Gay Marriage, although I think
> > the arguments for permitting it are strong ones -- yes, "conservative"
> > strong ones. There is at least one argument against it which still gives
> > me pause; it is a variation of the so-called "slippery slope" logic.
> > Briefly stated, if I can approve Gay Marriage, on what grounds can I
> > still oppose polygamy? I have not (yet) worked through this.
> >
> > In any event, the Bible does not speak at all to either issue, except by
> > strained interpretations. The material on my site will explain why I do
> > not see scripture as speaking "clearly" on either issue. There are quite
> > a number of Christian scholars, clerics and lay people who argue this
> > point quite better than I can. Is Paul, in Romans 1, speaking of ALL
> > same-gender intimacy, or only of the kind he clearly knew about, acts
> > which took place in a pagan temple between men and children?
> >
> > One of the neatest example of this is a debate between Tony Compolo and
> > his wife, who hold differing views on issue #1. A link to this debate is
> > on my website.
> >
> > Scholars Wink and Mauser have written position papers on issue #1, each
> > on a different side. Worth reading them both; links on my site.
> >
> > The issues are not easy. The temptation to just "believe what one has
> > always believed" is great. I started there; I know.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Burgy
> >
> > Today's quip: They told me I was gullible -- and I believed them.
> >
> > www.burgy.50megs.com
> >
> >
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Received on Fri Jun 11 02:28:14 2004