Re: The Nature of Atheist - Christian dialogue

From: RFaussette@aol.com
Date: Wed Apr 30 2003 - 12:25:36 EDT

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    In a message dated 4/29/03 9:58:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    jeisele@starpower.net writes:

    > The story of Adam and Eve is nonsense. Adam and
    > Eve were harshly punished for action they took before
    > they had knowledge of good and evil. Adam and Eve is
    > far better explained as primitive myth trying to
    > explain human death. Maybe I'll say more later...
    >
    > Jim
    >
    >

    I've done a Darwinian interpretation of Adam and Eve. It suggests that some
    of the issues that scientists discuss regarding human behavior such as pure
    altruism and ontological anxiety are directly addressed in the Adam and Eve
    story. Not only is the Adam and Eve story perfectly constructed to answer
    such questions but it is the basis for everything else that follows in the
    OT. Remarks attributed to Jesus in the gnostic gospel of thomas corroborate
    the Adam and Eve story and my interpretation perfectly.

    The suggestion that an atheist can discard the Bible because he/she has
    determined there is no God (no such dermination may be empirically possible
    - either way), is ridiculous. A scientific understanding of the Bible makes
    the world suddenly intelligible because of the paradigm shift the scientific
    understanding provides. Jim is not displaying this understanding but the more
    primitive rejection of religion that appears when people decide religion
    can't get them what they want which is eternal life. That's a matter of a
    lack of faith and understanding, not a matter of science.

    The key to understanding Jesus is giving up everything you previously wanted
    for what God wants, but you can't know what that is unless you delve a little
    more deeply into religion than Jim has. What God wants is all of you. Until
    you give Him all of you, the question of eternal life will plague you. It is
    a sign of spiritual immaturity, not a sign of honesty and integrity, but a
    misanthropic reaction to a perceived personal deprivation. While you
    experience it, you are not "with God."

    Adam and Eve explain the nature and appropriate goal of human life which is
    life long learning with the goal of determining God's (nature's) will and
    conforming to it.

    I learned never to argue the metaphysical since reading Wittgentstein. At a
    lecture, a student asked him if there was a heaven. Wittgenstein told the
    student to sit down. The student asked again. Wittgenstein this time told the
    student it was a matter of faith, not science and as a scientist he could not
    answer it. Since then, I have contented myself by looking for the science in
    the Bible which is what I can do. I leave the faith to grow on its own. I
    have found the science in the Bible and correspond with Kevin MacDonald the
    evolutionary psychologist who has also found the science in the Bible. It's
    absolutely amazing to see how perfectly the "myths" were constructed and how
    they answer ''modern" questions. That has strengthened my faith in the
    CHRISTian life.

    I often comment, that I don't need to believe in God, as long as I willingly
    bear the cross of Jesus Christ. He was perfect and maybe is perfect. Which it
    is I cannot empirically say, but he was perfect for sure and I have found no
    one more worthy to emulate in all of history, religious and secular, no one
    who addresses the fundamental questions of the human condition more directly
    and definitively than Him, regardless of what I can prove or what I cannot
    prove. I place all my faith, such as it is, in Him.

    If you want the paper with the Darwinian intrepretation of Adam and Eve, ask.
    I'll send it.

    rich



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