FW: "Design up to Scratch?" (The Wit and Wisdom of Michael Roberts)

From: Howard J. Van Till (hvantill@chartermi.net)
Date: Tue Apr 29 2003 - 15:54:10 EDT

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    Forwarded at Josh's request:

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    From: "Josh Bembenek" <jbembe@hotmail.com>

    Howard-

    "It seems to me that we are just plain stuck with the reality that the term
    "intelligent design" has been, for the moment, kidnapped by the ID
    movement(Johnson, Dembski, Behe, Wells, Meyer, ...) and given a rhetorical
    meaning quite different from what common usage of such words would
    ordinarily suggest."

    -Even so, this doesn't negate their general premise. We may have grave
    reservations about their either/or strategy in regards to evolution, but
    this doesn't mean we will never detect design-- or make a strong inference.
    I think the fine tuning would be a strong design inference if we assigned
    probability values to different scenarios (and I have no concept of how that
    would be done.) In the end, I have probably hijacked the ideas that IDers
    have employed them differently myself, so I forgive them, although they
    could improve their rhetorical strategy.

    "That being the case, I think we have to be very careful when we use a term
    like "intelligent design" and give readers a clear indication of our working
    definition of it."

    -True, but I believe that these issues lie downstream of their main focus:
    that of positively inferring design. What sort of design can be pursued
    after a strong inference has been made. Although they generally wed their
    inference to one particular view of the type of design, we need not throw
    the baby out with the bathwater.

    Josh

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