Re: Response to Why YEC posting

From: D. F. Siemens, Jr. (dfsiemensjr@juno.com)
Date: Fri Aug 24 2001 - 00:18:58 EDT

  • Next message: Allen Roy: "Re: Response to Why YEC posting"

    But Chuck, don't you understand that the half-lives are variable on YEC
    "principles"? Consequently, your claims do not hold.
    Dave

    On Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:46:28 -0400 "Vandergraaf, Chuck"
    <vandergraaft@aecl.ca> writes:
    > Allen,
    >
    > Thanks for the reference. Trouble is, I don't have ready access to
    > the
    > CRSQ.
    >
    > To me, the Oklo phenomenon can only be explained if one assumes that
    > the
    > earth much older than YEC's would claim. Briefly, a nuclear chain
    > reaction
    > can only be sustained if 1)the 235/238U is higher than at present
    > (~2%
    > compared to the current <0.8%) or 2) a moderator such as D2O is
    > present. The
    > U deposit at Oklo shows unmistakable signs of fission: rare earth
    > fission
    > products show an isotopic signature closer to that of fission
    > products,
    > there is eveidence of 99Tc (which is only produced in the fissioning
    > process), and the 235U is depleted considerably, to values as low as
    > 0.3%.
    > If the fission process did take place, the 235/238U must have been
    > much
    > higher than present, in the order of 2% and that can only have been
    > the case
    > ~10^9 years ago because the half life of 235U is shorter than that
    > of 238U.
    > The Cigar Lake U deposit is younger and never had a sufficiently
    > high
    > 235/238U ratio.
    >
    > This, to me, clearly swings the evidence to an old earth but, as a
    > scientist, my mind is open for alternative interpretations.
    >
    > Shalom,
    >
    > Chuck
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Allen Roy [mailto:allenroy@peoplepc.com]
    > Sent: Thursday August 23, 2001 8:18 PM
    > To: Vandergraaf, Chuck
    > Subject: Re: Response to Why YEC posting
    >
    >
    > I personally don't know much about the Oklo reactor, however I found
    > an
    > article by a YEC on the topic.
    >
    > "Oklo Uranium Reactor Examined From a Creationist's Viewpoint"
    > appears in the Creation Research Society Quarterly Vol.19, No.1
    > (June, 1982)
    > pgs32-35 by Eugene Chaffin
    >
    > Allen
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: Vandergraaf, Chuck <vandergraaft@aecl.ca>
    > To: 'Allen Roy' <allenroy@peoplepc.com>
    > Cc: <asa@calvin.edu>
    > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:34 PM
    > Subject: RE: Response to Why YEC posting
    >
    >
    > Allen,
    >
    > Please explain, using a "young earth model," how natural fission
    > reactors,
    > e.g., @ Oklo, Gabon, could have operated while other U deposits with
    > high
    > [U], e.g., Cigar Lake, did not.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >
    > Chuck Vandergraaf
    >
    >



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