Re: Coal/Tree Trunks

From: R. Joel Duff (rjduff@uakron.edu)
Date: Mon Jul 09 2001 - 16:04:44 EDT

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    Jonathan and Bill,
    I've been off the list about 6 months and might haved missed if this reference
    has been discussed but it seems it might be germaine to your discussion. A
    couple of weeks ago I came by an intersting article in _Palaeogeography,
    Palaeoclimatiology, Palaeoecology_ entitled: "Fossil trees in ancient fluvial
    channal deposits: evidence of seasonal and longer-term climatic
    variability" I will copy the abstract here and send both of you the .pdf
    file. (typos are mine since I am re-typing this, can't seem to copy and
    paste)
    Joel

    Abstract.
    It has been established that large numbers of certain trees can survive in the
    beds of rivers of northeastern Australia were a strongly seasonal distribution
    of precipitation causes extremem variations in flow on both a yearly and
    longer-term basis. In these rivers, minimal flow occurs througout much of any
    year and for periods of up to several years, allowing the trees to become
    established and to adapt their form in order to facilitate their survival in
    environments that experience periodic inundation by fast-flowing, debris-laden
    water. Such trees (notably paperbark trees of the angiosperm genus Melaleuca)
    adopt a relined to prostrate, downstream-trailing habit, have a
    multiple-stemmed form, modified crown with weeping foliage, development of
    thick, spongy bark, anchoring of roots into firm to lithified substrates
    beneath the channel floor, root regeneration, and develop in flow-parallel,
    linear groves. Individuals from within flow-parallel, linear groves are
    preserved in situ within the alluvial deposit of the river following burial
    and
    death.

    Four examples of in situ tree fossils within alluvial channel deposits in the
    Permian of eastern Australia demonstrate that specialised riverbed plant
    communities also existed at times in the geological past. These examples,
    from
    the Lower Permian Carmila Beds, Upper Permian Moranbah Coal Measures and
    Baralaba Coal Measures of central Queensland and the Upper Permian Newcastle
    Coal Measures of central New South Wales, show several of the characteristics
    of trees described from modern rivers in northeastern Australia, including
    preservation in closely-spaced groups. These properties, together with
    independent sedimentological evidence, suggest that the Permian trees were
    adapted to an environment affected by highly varible runoff, albeit ina more
    temperate climatic situation than the modern Australian examples. It is
    proposed that occurrences of fossil trees perserved in situ within alluvial
    channel deposits may be diagnostic of environments controlled by seasonal and
    longer-term variability in fluvial runoff, and hence may have value in
    interpreting aspects of palaeoclimate from ancient alluvial successions."

    At 08:09 PM 7/9/01 +1000, you wrote:
    >
    > Hi Bill
    >
    > I have been away for the past three weeks so my apologies for the slow
    reply.
    >
    >
    > Bill Payne wrote:
    >>
    >> On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:33:45 +1000 Jonathan Clarke
    >> <jdac@alphalink.com.au> writes:
    >>
    >> > Please stick to the point. Your said (Thu, 07 Jun 2001 20:45:01 +1000)
    >> " tree stumps commonly up to 2+ feet in diameter are virtually *never*
    >> found in coal seams in the eastern US". I gave you five references, two
    >> from
    >> the eastern US and three from Canada that give examples of just this.
    Have
    >> you read them?
    >



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