Re: How Irreducibly Complex Systems Evolve. Data Behe must deal with.

From: Moorad Alexanian (alexanian@uncwil.edu)
Date: Wed Oct 18 2000 - 10:09:10 EDT

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    The book by Barrow and Tipler is still the standard reference in this field.
    Interestingly the authors quote a formula I published in the Physical
    Review, which expresses the fine-structure-constant in terms of other
    fundamental constants. Moorad

    -----Original Message-----
    From: glenn morton <glenn.morton@btinternet.com>
    To: asa@calvin.edu <asa@calvin.edu>
    Date: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:37 AM
    Subject: RE: How Irreducibly Complex Systems Evolve. Data Behe must deal
    with.

    >
    >> Glenn,
    >>
    >> Regarding the "Anthropic Principle", you may be interested in reading
    >> an article in the November issue of "Discover" Magazine. It discusses
    >> how the fundamental constants behind the universe are fine-tuned to
    >> allow life to exist, and that if they change, the universe as we know
    >> it and life itself would be impossible.
    >
    >I read this last week but there are better sources of this kind of
    >information. The Anthropic Cosmological Principle by Barrow and Tipler and
    >a 1993 seminar proceedings on the topic: F. Bertola and U. Curi, editors,
    >The Anthropic Principle, (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1993
    >
    >
    >>
    >> The article explores the possibility that our universe is
    >> one of a possibly infinite number of universes (a "multiverse"),
    >> and ours just happens to have the right numbers--otherwise we
    >> wouldn't be here. An atheist could use this kind of reasoning
    >> to avoid thinking about whether or not there may really be a Creator.
    >> Since we have no way to detect a parallel universe other than our own
    >> (outside of the "Sliders" sci-fi show :) ), this involves a leap
    >> of faith, just as it is to believe that someone intentionally
    >> adjusted the numbers.
    >
    >The reason I don't think the multiverse option will work is because one is
    >moving beyond science at this point. If we can observe something, it is
    part
    >of this universe. If we can't--it isn't. By definition we can't observe
    >other universes so it is a concept that will forever remain outside of
    >science. THus to avoid the religious implications of the anthropic
    principle
    >(as Rees does in that Discover article) one must escape to a natural
    >religion which is outside of science. (I know Rees trys to say his view is
    >'verifiable' but it really isn't.
    >
    >glenn
    >
    >see http://www.flash.net/~mortongr/dmd.htm
    >for lots of creation/evolution information
    >
    >>
    >



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