RE: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

From: Vandergraaf, Chuck (vandergraaft@AECL.CA)
Date: Fri Jun 02 2000 - 10:35:47 EDT

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    James,

    "Good eye!" I missed that one. You are correct, or course.

    Chuck

            ----------
            From: James Taggart[SMTP:James_Taggart@multilink.com]
            Sent: Friday June 02, 2000 9:15 AM
            To: Vandergraaf, Chuck
            Cc: 'Joel Cannon'; asa@calvin.edu
            Subject: RE: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

            Greenpeace is also "confusing" global warming gasses with ozone
    depleting
            gasses. HFCs were
            introduced to replace CFCs that are ozone depleting.

            "Vandergraaf, Chuck" <vandergraaft@aecl.ca> on 06/02/2000 09:21:46
    AM

            To: "'Joel Cannon'" <jcannon@jcannon.washjeff.edu>
            cc: asa@calvin.edu (bcc: James Taggart/Multilink)
            Subject: RE: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

            Joel,

            Seems to me that Greenpeace is (once again) shading the truth. From
    the web
            page you cited, the following:

            "At the Olympic site Coca-Cola will have 1700 refrigerators that run
    on
            global warming HFC gases and only 100 Greenfreeze coolers that
    comply with
            Sydney's Environmental Guidelines. This means that HFC greenhouse
    gases will
            cool over 10 million Coca-Cola drinks during the Sydney Olympics -
    the
            world's first "Green Games"."

            As you know, the first sentence is incorrect; the refrigerators run
    on
            electricity, not on "global warming HFC gases." HFCs are not
    consumed,
            unless the cooling system is leaking.

            As to your question, the only "natural refrigeration systems" I am
    aware of,
            are blocks of ice. Up here, some fishing lodge operators saw blocks
    of ice
            from lakes in the winter and store them in insulated buildings or in
            insulated underground facilities. The ice lasts all summer.

            However, I became curious and search the Internet for "greenfreeze."
    The
            following is an excerpt from the Greenpeace home page (http://www.
            Greenpeace.org.)

            Greenfreeze Technology
            Greenfreeze uses a mixture of propane (R290) and isobutane (R60Oa),
    or
            isobutane as a pure gas for the refrigerant. This replaces the
            ozone-destroying chemicals currently used in refrigeration systems
            worldwide. The filling quantities are about two thirds less than
    what is
            required with HFC-134a and CFC-12, due to the technical and
    thermodynamic
            properties of hydrocarbons.
            Propane and butane are natural gases available without licenses all
    over the
            world at prices (in a purified form) comparable to those of CFCs.
    The energy
            efficiency of the propane/butane refrigerators has been proved to be
    as good
            as those cooled with CFCs or HFC-134a.
            Some "Greenfreeze" refrigerators with isobutane use up to 38 percent
    less
            energy than their identical counterparts with HFC-134a.
    Bosch-Siemens
            announced a 50% energy savings with Greenfreeze in their 1993 annual
    report.

            Greenfreeze is insulated with cyclopentane blown polyurethane foam.
    This
            replaces the CFC- or HCFC-blown insulation foams currently used in
            refrigerators. Cyclopentane has no ozone depletion potential (ODP)
    and the
            effect of its components on global warming is negligible. The
    insulation
            value of cyclopentane blown foam compares favorably with that of
    CFC-11
            blown foam, and is better than HCFC-141b blown foam. According to
    the UNEP
            "In the past two years cyclopentane has emerged as the most
    promising zero
            Ozone Depleting Potential (ODP) alternative to CFC-11 as a blowing
    agent for
            rigid insulation foam."

            I have no idea if Greenpeace's claims are correct. I don't know how
    the
            heat capacities of these hydrocarbons compare with those of the
    HFCs. I,
            personally, would not be keen to have propane or isobutane in my
    house (it's
            OK for the barbecue on the porch) in case the cooling system sprung
    a leak.

            Chuck Vandergraaf
            Pinwa, MB

                 ----------
                 From: Joel Cannon[SMTP:jcannon@jcannon.washjeff.edu]
                 Sent: Friday June 02, 2000 7:47 AM
                 To: asa@calvin.edu
                 Subject: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

                 Does anyone on the list have knowledge of Greenfreeze cooling
            systems?
                 I have been reading a Greenpeace feature concering coca-cola's
                 contribution to global warming through its HFC soft drink
    machine
                 (http://www.cokespotlight.org). The group is attempting to
    encourage
                 Coke to switch away from HFC-based machines. That sounds
                 good. However, I am aware that sometimes some in the
    environmental
                 movement are not careful with the science of what they are
            discussing
                 and would like to see if their claim can be independently
                 corroborated.

            
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