RE: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

From: James Taggart (James_Taggart@multilink.com)
Date: Fri Jun 02 2000 - 10:17:03 EDT

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    Greenpeace is also "confusing" global warming gasses with ozone depleting
    gasses. HFCs were
    introduced to replace CFCs that are ozone depleting.

    "Vandergraaf, Chuck" <vandergraaft@aecl.ca> on 06/02/2000 09:21:46 AM

    To: "'Joel Cannon'" <jcannon@jcannon.washjeff.edu>
    cc: asa@calvin.edu (bcc: James Taggart/Multilink)
    Subject: RE: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

    Joel,

    Seems to me that Greenpeace is (once again) shading the truth. From the web
    page you cited, the following:

    "At the Olympic site Coca-Cola will have 1700 refrigerators that run on
    global warming HFC gases and only 100 Greenfreeze coolers that comply with
    Sydney's Environmental Guidelines. This means that HFC greenhouse gases will
    cool over 10 million Coca-Cola drinks during the Sydney Olympics - the
    world's first "Green Games"."

    As you know, the first sentence is incorrect; the refrigerators run on
    electricity, not on "global warming HFC gases." HFCs are not consumed,
    unless the cooling system is leaking.

    As to your question, the only "natural refrigeration systems" I am aware of,
    are blocks of ice. Up here, some fishing lodge operators saw blocks of ice
    from lakes in the winter and store them in insulated buildings or in
    insulated underground facilities. The ice lasts all summer.

    However, I became curious and search the Internet for "greenfreeze." The
    following is an excerpt from the Greenpeace home page (http://www.
    Greenpeace.org.)

    Greenfreeze Technology
    Greenfreeze uses a mixture of propane (R290) and isobutane (R60Oa), or
    isobutane as a pure gas for the refrigerant. This replaces the
    ozone-destroying chemicals currently used in refrigeration systems
    worldwide. The filling quantities are about two thirds less than what is
    required with HFC-134a and CFC-12, due to the technical and thermodynamic
    properties of hydrocarbons.
    Propane and butane are natural gases available without licenses all over the
    world at prices (in a purified form) comparable to those of CFCs. The energy
    efficiency of the propane/butane refrigerators has been proved to be as good
    as those cooled with CFCs or HFC-134a.
    Some "Greenfreeze" refrigerators with isobutane use up to 38 percent less
    energy than their identical counterparts with HFC-134a. Bosch-Siemens
    announced a 50% energy savings with Greenfreeze in their 1993 annual report.

    Greenfreeze is insulated with cyclopentane blown polyurethane foam. This
    replaces the CFC- or HCFC-blown insulation foams currently used in
    refrigerators. Cyclopentane has no ozone depletion potential (ODP) and the
    effect of its components on global warming is negligible. The insulation
    value of cyclopentane blown foam compares favorably with that of CFC-11
    blown foam, and is better than HCFC-141b blown foam. According to the UNEP
    "In the past two years cyclopentane has emerged as the most promising zero
    Ozone Depleting Potential (ODP) alternative to CFC-11 as a blowing agent for
    rigid insulation foam."

    I have no idea if Greenpeace's claims are correct. I don't know how the
    heat capacities of these hydrocarbons compare with those of the HFCs. I,
    personally, would not be keen to have propane or isobutane in my house (it's
    OK for the barbecue on the porch) in case the cooling system sprung a leak.

    Chuck Vandergraaf
    Pinwa, MB

         ----------
         From: Joel Cannon[SMTP:jcannon@jcannon.washjeff.edu]
         Sent: Friday June 02, 2000 7:47 AM
         To: asa@calvin.edu
         Subject: Question concerning HFC and Greenfreeze manufacturers

         Does anyone on the list have knowledge of Greenfreeze cooling
    systems?
         I have been reading a Greenpeace feature concering coca-cola's
         contribution to global warming through its HFC soft drink machine
         (http://www.cokespotlight.org). The group is attempting to encourage
         Coke to switch away from HFC-based machines. That sounds
         good. However, I am aware that sometimes some in the environmental
         movement are not careful with the science of what they are
    discussing
         and would like to see if their claim can be independently
         corroborated.

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