[Fwd: Re: *Physical Constants (fwd)...Lack of predictive power of physics]

From: Massie (mrlab@ix.netcom.com)
Date: Thu Jan 13 2000 - 22:59:35 EST

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    George Murphy wrote:
    >
    > Massie wrote:
    > >
    > > George Murphy wrote:
    > > >
    > > > Massie wrote:
    > > > >
    > > > > Joel Cannon wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > On Thu 13 Jan 2000 Massie wrote:
    > > > > >
    > > > > > >So you admit the lack of predictive power meaning the ability
    > > > > > >to forcast the next big organism.
    > > > > >
    > > > > > Physics is unable to predict the next big meteor, the next big
    > > > > > earthquake, or the next big storm except in terms of
    > > > > > probabilities so the standard may be flawed. (or maybe it is physics
    > > > > > that is flawed). ........................
    > > > >
    > > > > Give me the boundary conditions and I will forecast the hit time down to
    > > > > the nanosecond. Physics works and it predicts. .......................
    > > > & predict it incorrectly because of the sensitivity of such complex
    > > > phenomena to initial conditions. Ever hear of the butterfly effect?
    > > > George
    > > >
    > > > George L. Murphy
    > > > gmurphy@raex.com
    > > > http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
    > > ************
    > >
    > > Sure enough. Ever hear about calculations of meteorites? These can be
    > > quite accurate. Yes, when there are two many variables in choatic
    > > systems and calculations are not possible. I did not say that all
    > > physical systems are calculable and this does not mean that they are not
    > > calculable but not by computers we have access to in the physical realm
    > > and it does not mean that physical laws do not have predictive power.
    > >
    > > I am asking for predictive power from evolutionary theory and I will
    > > give them all the initial conditions they want.
    > >
    > > Whats the point?
    >
    > Predicting a meteorite hit "to the nanosecond" would require calculating
    > atmospheric drag to an unrealistic precision, & "the next big storm" is precisely
    > the kind of thing the butterfly effect says you can't predict precisely.
    > Eventually you'd have to give initial conditions below the level the uncertainty
    > principle allows. A fortiori we can't make such predictions in practice. The point is
    > that you're wrong.
    >
    >
    > George L. Murphy
    > gmurphy@raex.com
    > http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
    George

    You seem to have lost the point in the details and your complaint about
    nanosecond is surperfolous.

    Have a nice day.

    Bert M



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