At 05:59 PM 2/8/00 -0500, you wrote:
>.Susan
>>>Other than the fact that you hate psychiatry and science, I don't see what
>>>your problem is here. Shall we not diagnose and treat people who are ill?
>>>Should we just take schizophrenics off their meds and stuff them into
>>>padded rooms?
Bertvan:
>I don't know the best treatment for mental illness. And because I don't
>know, I would be reluctant to impose any treatment upon anyone.
Well, there's not exactly a bunch of Mental Health Police rounding up the
schizophrenics and stuffing them full of pills. It's darn tough for them to
get treatment at all.
>If some
>mental patients say drugs do them more harm than good, I would be more
>inclined to listen to them than to the drug companies.
if the drugs didn't work, then nobody would use them. They work. For the
mental patients who can afford mental health care they are a godsend.
>I have no objection to
>those who find drugs helpful, taking them. I am a little horrified at drugs,
>with no convincing long-term evidence of benefits, being given to children
>because teachers find them difficult.
are we talking about Ritalin? do you have any idea how uncomfortable ADD is
for the sufferer? Ritalin is a very controlled substance. You can't get it
at the grocery store. It requires more than just an annoyed teacher for a
child to get it.
>I don't know the explanation for the diversity of life. I find it impossible
>to accept the Neo Darwinist explanation merely because I don't know any
>better explanation. I have no objection to other people believing in neo
>Darwinism. I object to having it imposed upon me (or school children) as
>"scientific truth".
everything is a power trip for you! schizophrenics have treatment "imposed"
on them school children have scientific observations "imposed" on them. Cheesh.
>In an exchange with Steve, Steve said:
>
>Steve:
>>>Why I am opposed to evolution is because I don't think its *true*.
>
>Susan:
>>you *wish* it weren't true
>and
>>If I know the answers, I don't bother to ask the questions. I'm still
>>curious why you sound so hopeful that there might not be a connection
>>between HIV and AIDS. It really sounds like you don't *want* there to be a
>>connection. I'm curious why.
>
>Bertvan:
>I doubt Steve *wishes* one way or the other about AIDS or evolution. It is
>merely what he believes. (He says himself, he is still open minded on the
>subject of AIDS.) You seem to believe anyone who disagrees with you has some
>unterior motive, is stupid, or indulging in wishful thinking. There is no
>room for legitimate disagreement, is there? Is it comforting to be so
>certain of all the answers?
one more time with feeling:
This is a debate list. I'm going to challenge all ideas I think are
illogical or not based on fact. You can defend those ideas as best you can
and try to punch holes in my logic. But it's a DEBATE list, not an opinion poll.
Susan
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