Re: Where's the science?--AGAIN

Susan Brassfield (Susan-Brassfield@ou.edu)
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 16:34:01 -0600

>Susan:
>>I have seen some passionate arguments and I can see how those can be
>>intimidating, but I would like for you to quote some specific *threats*.
>>Are you talking about the McCarthy era specifically? or has someone
>>threatened you on this list?

Bertvan:
>After reading of the Dean Kenyon affair, where a tenured professor's classes
>were taken away from him for voicing skepticism of neo Darwinism outside the
>classroom, do you suppose any untenured professor would openly voice his
>support for the design concept?

they can and do, obviously. Kenyon was actually teaching creationism, which
is religion, in his science classes in a state-supported institution. I'd
like to point out that Behe is a tenured professor and has suffered few
consequences. Of course, he doesn't reject mutation and natural selection
or common descent.

>Do you think any teacher who let it be known
>there were people skeptical of Neo Darwinism in the highschool classroom
>wouldn't feel threatened by the ACLU?

It depends if they are violating the establishment clause of the 1st
amendment. You can't teach religion in a state-supported school, especially
in a science class. Anybody can be skeptical of "neo-Darwinism" if they
have some evidence to back up their skepticism. The bare fact of skepticism
isn't enough.

>Recently someone reported a
>symposium held at a university on Darwinism. The only scientist
>participating on the Darwinist side was said to be a psychologist.

Do you have some details on that? There are symposiums on the various
features of evolution held all the time, including at the university where
I work. They don't seem to be short on attendees.

>I suspect
>some of the biologists who refused to participate may have done so because of
>fear or reprisal.

from whom? If the symposium was on "Darwinism" I would assume you'd get
brownie points for attending if it's so dangerous to oppose evolution.

>I have a relative in academia. While not even a
>biologist, he is careful of what he says on the subject. And frankly, I
>regard calling people with whom one disagrees "liars" a threatening tactic.

observing a lie and pointing it out *may* be threatening to the person
uttering the falshood, but that's as it should be. It's not my job to make
sure dishonest people are comfortable and unchallenged in their dishonesty.

Susan

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