RE: Pyramids

David J. Tyler (D.Tyler@mmu.ac.uk)
Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:15:20 GMT

Apologies for the earlier sending of an unedited response. This
was an accident. Here is the version that has been edited!

John E. Rylander asked on Thu, 15 Jul 1999:

> IF I could just ask the various interlocutors on this thread one question,
> and request a very short answer from each of them:

OK - I would like to prefix my response by saying that I do not think
the term "supernatural intervention" is helpful. I think the
biblical teaching on "providence" is that God is continuously active
in his creation - no less active in sustaining as he is in creating
or in performing miracles. However, I understand your question and
provide the requested brief responses below.

> In your view, is God's -supernatural- intervention into a natural system
> something that is theoretically in the realm(s) of:
> (1) physical science?

Only in a way analogous to forensic science.

> (2) reason?
>
> (3) philosophy?
>
> (4) theology?

yes to all three.

> (5) Blind faith?

Blind faith is not something the Christian knows much about - because
faith is a response to a person; it is coming out of darkness into
the light. It is not divorced from reason or philosophy, although it
involves the renewing of our minds.

> My point for years has been that if ID advocates want to move it into 1, all
> they need do is come up with not philosophically or rationally compelling
> argument, but EMPIRICAL arguments, new, detailed, intersubjective/objective
> theories that make unambiguous, novel, and successful predictions even
> according to those with no prior commitment to ID. That'll make it not just
> TRUE, but SCIENCE.
>
> I can imagine their eventually doing this; but I don't think they're too
> close just yet.

It seems to me that IDers have been saying some interesting things
for years: the discontinuities in living things are at least as
important as the continuites and ought to be studied in their own
right; Junk DNA has functions and is not Junk; the fossil record is
not Darwinian and makes far more sense in the context of intelligent
design; studies of natural variation (and artificial variation) show
that Darwinian mechanisms operate in the realm of
ecological fine-tuning and not in the realm of origins of complexity
(analogous to darwinian design in engineering) - the origin of real
complexity appears to be explicable only by presupposing intelligent
design.

Best regards,
David J. Tyler.