>Here are some questions I've heard from the creationist
>standpoint that I'd like to hear the other side of:
>
>"there are no examples of beneficial genetic mutations that result in an
>increase of genetic material. Only ones that appear to help exist and
are in
>fact harmed information that is a loss of info." (cited examples are
usually
>moths in England, and one more that slips my mind)
>Now, my qs: What examples of "positive" mutations are there? If there
are
>none, how does the idea still stand or what explanation has replaced it?
This question was discussed last year as copied below. (I'm still having
Glenn Morton withdrawals. If we can't have Glenn here with us, maybe we
can at least quote him occasionally.)
:-)
Bill
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>>>>I owe Ms. Brown an apology for my initial skepticism and I offer it
here. I
was unequivocally wrong in my suspicion of her. While we have in general
been on civil terms, I do want her to know that not all evolutionists
disregard truth as many creationists believe. After listening to the
audio
tape, her video, I firmly believe records an accurate account of the
Dawkings incident.<<<<
It is precisely responses like this that make the debate between you an
me
such an enjoyable 'tour-de-force'. Kudos to you for it.
Ye shall know the Truth, and the Truth
shall make you free. John 8:32
Ron Chitwood
chitw@flash.net
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> From: Glenn R. Morton <grmorton@waymark.net>
> To: evolution@calvin.edu
> Subject: Dawkins Video
> Date: Friday, July 17, 1998 10:01 PM
>
> Last month (June 1998) on the evolution reflector, there was a bit of a
> discussion concerning the Video From a Frog to a Prince which is put
out
by
> Keziah Production which is headed by Gillian Brown. The tape showed a
> narrator asking Dawkings the question:
>
> "Professor Dawkins, can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an
> evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in
the
> genome?"
>
> Dawkins is shown starring at the ceiling for 11 seconds which includes
a
> sharp in take of air. and then he resumes with the unresponsive :
>
> "There is a popular misunderstanding of evolution that says that fish
> turned into reptiles and reptiles turned into mammals and and so
somehow
we
> ought to be able to look around the world today and look at our
ancestors."
>
> I had originally questioned whether there was some doctoring going on
in
> the tape because of certain technical details that were amiss. The
shadows
> on the narrator were not the shadows from the room in which Dawkins
sat.
> And the room appeared to be different. I wrote Dawkings and asked him
> about this. He denied having any recollection of this event. I
suspected
a
> video hatchet job. After Gillian established contact with me in June, I
> found that my suspicions were correct that the narrator was not in the
same
> room as Dawkings. Gillian admitted that she had the narrator re-dub
the
> question but contended that she had asked exactly that question and
that
> Dawkins was shown exactly has he performed at the filming. Gillian
sent
a
> copy the original audio tape of the interview with Dawkins to a freind
of
> mine. He sent the tape to me. I have just heard it tonight.
>
> I will state categorically that the audio tape of the interview 100%
> supports Gillian Brown's contention that Dawkins couldn't answer the
> question. Here is the relevant transcript:
> **begin ***
> Gillian Brown: Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an
> evolutionary process which can be seen to increase the information in
the
> genome?
>
> [19 seconds of silence which includes a sharp intake of air which is
seen
> on the video and heard on the audio tape-grm]
>
> Dawkins: "Can you just stop there I think ...[tape then has a second
or
> two of silence-grm]"
>
> {When the taping starts again the audio tape demonstrates that the
> unresponive response was what was there==grm]
> Gillian: "I'm recording."
>
> Dawkins: "OK"
> "There is a popular misunderstanding of evolution that says that fish
> turned into reptiles and reptiles turned into mammals and and so
somehow
we
> ought to be able to look around the world today and look at our
ancestors.
> We ought to be able to see the intermediates between fish and reptiles
and
> ..."
> ***end**
>
> The only alteration to the question posed by Gillian originally to
Dawkins
> is the narrator's addition of the words "Professor Dawkins," in front
of
> the question. That is such a minor change that it does not alter the
> substance of Gillian's claim.
>
> I find it disappointing that Dawkins wouldn't respond to my later
e-mails
> trying to get his response to Ms. Brown's claims and indeed his lack of
> response says a lot to me about this incident. I also found it
> disappointing that Dawkins wouldn't admit that that the incident had
occurred.
>
> I owe Ms. Brown an apology for my initial skepticism and I offer it
here.
I
> was unequivocally wrong in my suspicion of her. While we have in
general
> been on civil terms, I do want her to know that not all evolutionists
> disregard truth as many creationists believe. After listening to the
audio
> tape, her video, I firmly believe records an accurate account of the
> Dawkings incident.
>
> I might add that I think Ms. Brown did Dawkins a favor. While Dawkins
is
> shown staring at the ceiling for 11 seconds on the video, the actual
time
> on the audio is 19 seconds. She spared Dawkins 8 seconds of
embarrassment.
>
> I am sending a copy of this to both Dawkins and to Ms. Brown.
>
>
> glenn
>
> Adam, Apes and Anthropology
> Foundation, Fall and Flood
> & lots of creation/evolution information
> http://www.isource.net/~grmorton/dmd.htm
On Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:16:34 -0500 "Bodester" <jbode77@calvin.edu> writes:
>As I've heard some good arguments on both sides of the debate, I'm
>curious
>as to how some sides account for some of the attacks on their
>hypothesizing
>/theorizing. Here are some questions I've heard from the creationist
>standpoint that I'd like to hear the other side of:
>
>(not my statement, just a paraphrase)
>"there are no examples of beneficial genetic mutations that result in
>an
>increase of genetic material. Only ones that appear to help exist and
>are in
>fact harmed information that is a loss of info." (cited examples are
>usually
>moths in England, and one more that slips my mind)
>Now, my qs: What examples of "positive" mutations are there? If there
>are
>none, how does the idea still stand or what explanation has replaced
>it?
>
>One more q:(This one's a kinda funny topic I think)
>Where the heck did the platypus evolve from?
>
>Just curious again folks,
>
>Jason
>
>------------------------------------------------------
>Jason Bode
>jbode77@calvin.edu
>http://www.calvin.edu/~jbode77/
>
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