> Sorry Dario, my calculations said nothing about the big bang. If you want
> to talk about the Big bang you MUST us General Relativity, not the special
> relativity your equation apples to. And since I used the equation you
> suggested and only calculated things for Jupiter and the earth, I fail to
> see how you can extrapolate this inappropriate result to the Big Bang.
Well letās talk about the timepiece of the universe. The clock of the
universe (according to Misner, Throne & Wheeler -Gravitation; Weinberg
-Gravitation and Cosmology; Fukugita, Hogan, Peebles -History Of The
Galaxies) is the light of the universe with each wave of light being a tick
of the cosmic clock. Their frequency are the timepieces of the universe.
Since sunlight waves reach earth stretching longer by 2.12 parts in a
million relative to similar light waves generated on earth, the rate at
which they reach us is lowered by 2.12 parts/million. For every million
earth seconds, the sunās clock loses 2.12 seconds relative to our clock
here on this planet. And this is 2.12 parts/million equal 67 seconds/yr
which is the exact amount predicted by the laws of relativity (sunās
surface gravity is 30 times greater than earthās. This means than in one
earth-year, a sun-based clock would tick one year minus 67 seconds).
Now, there are so many places where we could place a clock that ticked so
slow, that 15+ billion earth years would pass while it recorded only 6 24
hour periods. So to get an equality between six Genesis days and 15+
billion earth years is not a problem.
The Biblical calendar is divided into two sections: 1st six days of Genesis
and all the time afterwards. These 6 days of Genesis have never been
included in the Biblical calendar of the days that followed the creation of
Adam.
> This still does not say that the early earth had children playing with
> asps. It might say that this will occur in the Messianic Kingdom, but where
> is the verse that says it applies backwards?
Glenn, you have to be kidding. In Jeremiah 30:1 through Jeremiah 31:40 God
prophesied about Israel restoration. Please read the whole prophecy. This
was a message given to the prophet by God Himself who directs Jeremiah to
write it down in a book. In Jer.30:20 "Their children will be as in days
of old, and their community will be established before me·"
Jer. 31:5 Ī·the farmers will plant them and enjoy their fruit·v.12 ·they
will rejoice in the bounty of The Lord -the grain, the new wine and the
oil, the young of the flocks and herds. They will be like a well watered
garden and they will sorrow no more·"
May I suggest you approach your pastors (I hope you have a home church) and
ask them to explain to you the doctrine of restoration. What does it mean,
why is there, is it Biblically sound and does it apply only to humans.
> You can believe that all you want, but the Bible doesn't say what you
believe.
Maybe your version. But mine does support restoration, regeneration and a
perspective that the whole creation will be as it was in the beginning
before disobedience gave up dominion of it to itās current state.
> He told NOAH and FAMILY (all human beings) to eat meat. Where is the
> command to the animals? My Bible doesn't have it.
Well then animals are disobedient too. In Gen. 1:30 "And to all the
beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that
move on the ground, everything that have breath of life it, I give every
green plant for food. And it was so."
> Great, so animals are now (justifiably) scared of us. But I simply don't
> see what you are reading into scripture, the concept that God gave the same
> command to animals. Where is it?
In pre-fall state God commands Adam and the animals to eat herbs. I guess
animals being cursed just disobey God to this day.
> Actually you don't believe Genesis. You believe what YECs teach about
> Genesis. You can't show where god commanded animals to eat meat. They eat
> meat today, but God never commanded them to eat meat. It is certainly
> within the Biblical data that Animals ALWAYS ate meat.
God didnāt command them to kill each other either, but they do it today.
What does that prove??
Pretty arrogant of you telling me what do I believe or not. For sure I
donāt spend countless hours searching scientific journals and such. This
type of info doesnāt run my life. But that doesn't mean I'm a mindless
zombie who marches to somebodys drumbeat.
I donāt even read yec literature and such. My beliefs arenāt founded on
somebodyās idea of how it all came to be. I can read the Scriptures and
meditate on them. They are the base of my belief. And no Glenn (or any
scientific breakthrough for that matter) will shake my faith regardless of
what I encounter.
Although I enjoy the advances that science has provided along with
knowledge, it wasn't science that redeemed me and it isn't science that
sees me through everyday.
> You obviously don't know what most huts are like. They have no bricks or
> thatching. They are just branches woven together occasionally with skins
> thrown over them.
Glenn are you on something? You are the one offering excepts of Leaky
explaining about bricks and circles with .5 meters deep. It wasnāt me.
And after thatching and such to support your meaning of tents.
> I thought you said you had spent lots of time on my web page? Go see
> Theory for Creationist.
No I didnāt write Īlots of timeā. Just that I have been there a few times
and have read some of your pages.
> That is not the same thing. That is from the new testament and does not
> define the Hebrew phrase "under the whole heaven."
But the idea is the same. In case you have not found out, the NT is
nothing more than the OT explained.
> If you hold to a global flood, which you seem to do (or did originally),
> that view is most closely associated with young-earthers. Old-earthers
> don't need a global flood.
I hold to a Biblical flood that killed all flesh occurred. I guess Iām the
exception to your rule since I hold that the universe is as old as current
cosmology says it is: 15-20 billion years.
So if you'll ask me: was the universe created in six days, I'll answer yes.
Or if you'll ask me: is the universe 15+ billion years old, I'll answer yes.
> Yom, the Hebrew for day, is used to tell Adam that the 'day' you eat you
> will die. He didn't. He lived about 900 years more. Yom doesn't
> necessarily mean one full earth rotation.
Wrong. You better go back and check your Hebrew text. This isnāt the
word. The word in the Hebrew text translated day means Īhotā and not a
period of 24 hours like you assume it does.
Gen. 2:4-5a "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth
when they were created, in the day that The Lord God made the earth and the
heavens, and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every
herb of the field before it grew·"
We see the same Hebrew word translated day but now it means the whole
creation process not just a single event.
> Never a chimp!!
> Why? 98% of YOUR DNA is IDENTICAL to that of the chimp!!!!
> 96% of YOUR DNA is IDENTICAL to that of the gorilla!!!!
> 92% of YOUR DNA is IDENTICAL to that of the Orangutan!!!!
> 83% of YOUR DNA is IDENTICAL to that of the Baboon!!!!
> ~ H Kim and O. Takenaka, "A Comparison of TSPY Genes from Y-Chromosomal DNA
> of the Great Apes and Humans: Sequence, Evolution and Phylogeny," American
> Journal of Physical Anthropology,100:301-309, p. 301.
>
> Notice that the more morphological difference, the greater is the DNA
> difference.
With all of that data you still have a missing link.
Best Regards,
Dario