Re: Attacks

Ed Brayton (cynic@net-link.net)
Tue, 26 May 1998 18:20:18 -0400

Stephen Jones wrote:
>
> Ed
>
> On Tue, 19 May 1998 14:00:54 -0400, Ed Brayton wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>SJ>"So your attacks on Christian apologists like Morris & Parker and Davis
> >>>& Kenyon, regarding..."
>
> >>>JWB>From what I can see, Stephen, Glenn often ATTACKS
> >>>the reasoning and lack of data integrity of certain
> >>>self-styled apologists.
>
> >SJ>I am primarily defending *Hugh Ross* and *Phil Johnson* from Glenn's
> >>attacks. Are you claiming they are "self-styled apologists"?
> >>
> >>But I would dispute your claim that even "Morris & Parker and Davis
> >>& Kenyon" are "self-styled apologists".
>
> EB>Wow, talk about missing the point. Burgy's point was that Glenn attacks
> >the REASONING AND LACK OF DATA INTEGRITY, not the person. You have
> >accused him of ad hominem attacks. An ad hominem attack IS an attack on
> >the person, not the argument.
>
> You are still conflating two issues. I do not claim that Glenn is making
> ad hominem attacks on Christian apologists. I claim he *destructively
> criticises* Christian apologists.

That is still an incorrect claim, since criticizing the reasoning and
data of a Christian apologist is not "destructive". Unless of course you
don't care about whether they are right or not.

> My ad homimen claim is that Glenn makes ad hominem attacks on
> myself and other creationist Reflectorites.

A claim you have still not supported.

> >>JWB>I have not seen him attack the person. There is a difference,
> >>>of course.
> >>
> >>I never said Glenn attacks "the person" of Christian apologists. You
> >>are being over-literal.
> >>
> >>My point is that Glenn's attacks on the position of Christian apologists
> >>is 100% negative. I have never heard him say anything positive about
> >>the position of *any* Christian apologist.
>
> EB>If that is your point, why did you accuse him of ad hominem? Did you
> >just not know what the phrase means, but thought it sounded good to
> >accuse someone of it?
>
> See above. You are conflating two entirely different claims. There are no
> ad hominems against Christian apologists in the Glenn's ad hominem FAQ.

As yet, there are no ad hominems AT ALL in the Glenn's ad hominem FAQ.
Keep trying.

Ed