Re: Baugardner paper

Glenn Morton (grmorton@waymark.net)
Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:46:00 -0600

At 11:57 AM 3/4/98 -0500, Jim Bell wrote:
> Just got hold of three papers presented by John Baumgardner at the
>Third International Conference on Creationism, July, 1994
>
> You'll recall my passing along a snippet of an e-mail message,
>wherein Baumgardner offers a summary solution to the "heat problem" Glenn
>referenced. Baumgardner then said the "numbers were there for all to see"
>in his papers.
>
> Glenn pounced on this, as is his wont, and wondered if that was
>merely a dodge.
>
> Well, I can now assure Glenn the numbers ARE there in "Runaway
>Subduction as the Driving Mechanism for the Genesis Flood." There are
>plenty of them, too,

Yes Jim, there are numbers. But the numbers that are there do not solve the
problem posed by my question about the heat problem. Merely having numbers
is no guarantee that they prove what you suggest.

along with "snapshots" of computer modeling and
>nineteen references to specialized literature, including an article by a
>guy named G. R. Morton, entitled, "The Flood on an Expanding Earth,"
>Creation Research Society Quarterly, 19 (1983), pp. 219-224!! (Baumgardner
>cites this example only to point out there are serious difficulties with
>it, along with other proposed solutions, and then he proposes his
>alternative.)

A little bit of background. When I first came in contact with John, he and
I agreed on earth expansion. He gave it up first, then I gave it up. I gave
it up because there are as many serious problems with it as there are with
Baumgardners present view.

>
> Anyway, Baumgardner is not hiding anything as far as I can see.

That is the key, as far as you can see. I admit that I am not a speciallist
in the numerical methods he uses, but I do know enough to know that there
are serious problems.

>True, it takes a specialist to crunch the numbers, but at least they are
>out there. Here is the abstract:

Once again Jim, having numbers doesn't prove a thing unless the numbers
solve the problem. They don't. And I stand by what I said.

glenn

Adam, Apes, and Anthropology: Finding the Soul of Fossil Man

and

Foundation, Fall and Flood
http://www.isource.net/~grmorton/dmd.htm