Re: RLT wrote (grounds)

John W. Burgeson (johnburgeson@juno.com)
Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:32:26 -0700

RLT wrote, castigating a certain group:

>>Burgy asks for grounds for my statement (and let me clarify that indeed
I was referring to creation "scientists", and the YEC cult ) that "Most
are pseudo-degree carrying AMWAY salesmen with nothing more than a
superficial, passing (to the layman) knowledge of science."
...
Most of the "degrees" held by these pretenders are from mail order
schools or short term programs (i.e., diploma mills). Now, that doesn't
falsify their claims but it does lessen the time I can devote to their
obscure reasoning.
...
Religious fundamentalist literalists (of all religions) are dangerous and
have no place in science , the public school classroom or civilized
society.>>

When you make your claim too braod, my friend, you defeat your purpose.

The first of the two above claims is simply too broad. I might accept
"many," but not the word "most."

Just looking at ICR -- Morris and Gish don't fit that claim; I don't know
about others on their faculty. Looking at the ICR Technical Advisory
Board, I see:

Edward Buck, Prof of Petroleum Engineering, U of Oklahoma
David Boylan, Prof of Chenmical Engineering, Iowa State U
Malcolm Cutchins, Prof of Aeorspace Eng, Auburn
Robert Eckel, Prof of Medicine, U of Colorado
Carl Fliermans, Microbiologist, Du Pont
Donald Hamann, Prof of Food Technology, NC State U
Ker Thompson, Prof of Geophysiscs, Baylor
John Oller, Prof of Linguistics, U of New Mexico
David Menton, Prof of Anatomy, Washington U
Gailen Marshall, Dir of Clinnical Immunology, U of Texas (Houston)

Are these persons "dangerous?" Are the institutions in which they teach
"degree mills?" I think not.

When you write "Religious fundamentalist literalists (of all religions)
are dangerous and have no place in science , the public school classroom
or civilized society," who are you targetting? There are some who regard
the ASA as a grouping of such people (see Pugliucci's web site). If it
is, then I must identify myself with them as a "fundementalist." Am I,
also, dangerous to society?

I hope not.

Peace

Burgy

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