Re: Contrary Evidence?

Glenn Morton (grmorton@waymark.net)
Fri, 23 Jan 1998 22:12:09 -0600

At 09:03 PM 1/23/98 -0600, bpayne@voyageronline.net wrote:
>Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:25:35 -0600 Glenn Morton wrote:
>
>> Let me ask this. Even if you are correct, that coal is deposited from
>> water, that does NOT mean that it was the flood waters. Why do you jump to
>> the conclusion that water deposition of coal must mean a global flood?
>
>Whoa, there! Read my post again. In the past I may have said (likely did
>say) that water-borne coal is evidence of a flood deposit(s), but you
>forget that I'm a moving target and have been influenced by your heresy
>- I mean: scientific observations!

:-) OK, but if this is what we are discussing, I will grant you that many
coals are allochthongous. Many coal authorities have argued for
allochthonous coal.
"During the period of widespread terrestrial conditions that followed, the
Greta Coal Measures were formed. . . . Sedimentation is cyclic, a complete
cycle consisting of conglomerates, then sandstone, siltstone, shale and finally
coal. There are no seat earths and occasionally thick seams rest directly on
sandstones or even conglomerates. The coal is thought to be allochthonous in
origin."~D. A. Brown, K. S. W. Campbell and K. A. W. Crook, Geological
Evolution of Australia and New Zealand, (New York: Pergamon Press, 1968), p.
188

The only thing I will disagree with is that ALL coals are allochthonous.
There are those that do appear to be autochthonous.

>Could we just go one step at a time
>without you throwing your whole arsenal at me when I cause you to stump
>your toe over a pebble?

OK. I will try to behave myself. But it is very very hard.

>
>> This question is especially important in view of the fact that coal
>> represents at least 45 times more plant matter on earth before the flood
>> than there is on earth today. (I mistakenly told a friend at dinner the
>> other night that it was 15 times; If he is listening, it is 45 times.)
>>
>> This comes from the fact that coal contains 15 x 10^18 g of carbon and there
>> is only .3 x 10^18 grams in all of the biosphere today
>>
>> 15/.3 =45.
>
>Big deal. If the pre-flood world was universally tropical, ie one big
>rain forest, then today's arid, temperate and artic zones would all
>produce more biomass - probably about...oh let me think...about 45 times
>more? :-))) Also, if the oceans were lower before the "waters of heaven"
>(whatever that was) fell and if the mountains were lower and if there
>were floating mats of vegetation growing on the surface of waters as
>well as land, and if... Shucks, these "just so" stories are easy to make
>up.

Well if you will look in my book, Foundation,Fall and Flood on page 61 and
62, I note that the only way to account for the total coal reserves is to
postulate a worldwide global tropical rain forest. So where do the grazing
animals live during this time? How are the dinosaurs able to run through the
thickets that block their way? There are xerophytic plants (plants which
live in deserts found in the fossil record, so where did they live in this
tropical rain forest?

>
>The point is, Glenn, that none of us has all of the information, only
>God does. When we get a little new info, it can have a major effect on
>big theories. I'm perfectly willing to consider your ideas, I'm just
>less eager than you to lock in on a model. You could be wrong, in MHO.

I will also perfectly well grant you that I might be wrong. That is why I
made certain predictions with my model. The only way one can be proven
wrong is if one makes predictions. But that is also the only way one can be
proven correct.

glenn

Adam, Apes, and Anthropology: Finding the Soul of Fossil Man

and

Foundation, Fall and Flood
http://www.isource.net/~grmorton/dmd.htm