John said:

John W. Burgeson (johnburgeson@juno.com)
Mon, 22 Dec 1997 15:24:34 -0700

John Rylander said:

"They'd be the ones to make up the tests to decide on the fiat creation
issue, if by "thorough" and "perfect" you mean only something like (a)."

By thse two words I mean only your "a," but I am unconvinced that "b"
adds anything to the mix.

The same sort of argument(s) must (I think) apply to Christ's miracles.

If one is convinced (as I am) that water really did change into wine at
Cana, was the wine "perfect?" If we were there, how would we be able to
tell the difference?

If one is really convinced (as I am) that fish and bread appeared "fiat"
at the feeding of the 5,000, then was the food provided "perfect?" Did
the scraps picked up by the disciples get eaten later? Were there scraps
left uneaten? Did those scraps rot? If we were there the next day, or
even at the feast ourselves, how could we tell the food was "sudden" and
not gathered normally?

If one is really convinced (as I am not) that the earth and all organic
life, including humanity, appeared "suddenly," how would we be able to
tell the "suddenness" if we were there on day #8?

It does seem to me that these scenarios, and others I have suggested, are
enough in parallel that they raise some reasonable questions. Among which
are those above.

Burgy