>That depends, was Lazarus really dead ?
The residents of Judea in the 1st Century didn't wrap people and stuck them
in graves with stones as doors and left them when the persons still alive.
Are you sure about that ? People have been declared dead even in modern
days when in fact they weren't. A miracle ?
Giraldo: Moreover Lazarus sister Martha was concerned about the bad odor
when Jesus ordered the stone to be moved away (John 11:38-39). Read
further to see
the reaction of the local leaders and how the large crowd will come to
Lazarus home to see him and verify that he was dead and came back to life
(John 12:9)
Irrelevant for my question.
>Giraldo: How about the parting of the Red Sea ?
>Not necessarily. There is a theory which explains the parting of the seas
>by a combination of winds and bathymetry.
Giraldo: Just like it happens today still ?
Are you under the incorrect impression that the bathymetry of oceans has
not changed ?
>Wow, now all that is missing is evidence that this is related to a belief
>in god and even more importantly that this belief is founded in reality.
>After all if this is happening, why not have this scientifically validated
>? Hearsay stories from those who have a vested interest somehow does not
>sound very scientifically satisfying.
Giraldo: Well Steven's doctors were muted at his recovery and they did
acknowledge that something extraordinary had happened to him but they
didn't know what.
At least thet admitted that they did not know what. To extrapolate this to
evidence for a deity however is a long leap.
Giraldo: Go to Ghana, ask to see the superintendent of the Foursquare
Church in
Africa Horace Sprague, and he will take you to a person who died and after
three days was resurrected.
As I said, were they sure this person was really dead ?
Giraldo: Go to Panama and ask for Manuel Ruiz of the Faith Tabernacle
Church. Ask him to show you the hundreds of people who have been
supernaturally heal by
the power of God.
Even better, ask him to show scientific evidence.
Giraldo: Want to do scientific work ? Follow up on these leads and do some
research. These stories aren't hearsay. These people are real and alive
today.
Are they ? And where they ill ? You are willing to believe some
extraordanary stories. I guess you believe in aliens, UFO's, ghosts, witch
craft as well ?
>Depends on what the sun will do in the next several billion years. Other
>than that I do not believe that there is any scientific foundation for
>this 'prophecy' either.
Giraldo: Prophecy isn't given to validate science and science can't
intefere with it because it can't enter its sphere. Thus science can't
supply testimony nor offer criticism about it.
A prophecy can indeed be invalidate. After all it is a prophecy. Of course
prophecies tend to be vague in describing when things will happen. But why
do prophecies, which are simple predictions, not enter the sphere of
science ? Are you saying that what the incident they prophecy is a
supernatural one ? What if I prophecy that on monday june 16, 1997 at
3:00pm PDT, an earthquake will level SF. Such prophecies have been made
about the end of the earth etc.
Giraldo: Since science can't trascend its own boundaries is powerless
beyond them.It can't prove that there are no facts save those recognized
by external
observation or that there is no truth except that which explains what is
displayed to the natural senses.
Indeed. So anything outside this realm is faith.
Giraldo: There can be no scientific denial of the supernatural for science
is only of the observational. Science has no testimony to bear except as
to the
fact of observation to the natural.
So noone will ever be able to prove the existance of a god ? Faith is
interesting but why believe in just one god for instance ? Where is faith
and imagination going to stop ? Especially in absence of proof (or
disproof) ?
Dario Giraldo