Re: logic makes a comeback

Jim Bell (70672.1241@CompuServe.COM)
11 Jun 97 18:40:54 EDT

><<It's obvious that claiming a transcendent, "objective" standard
>doesn't make people behave any better.>>

>Another made up "fact."

RS <<"Made up" from thousands of years of history.>>

You actually believe that thousands of years of history proves that
Christianity has not made people behave any better? Please cite some
references from history to back up this ludicrous claim.

Meanwhile, I'll post something written by one of the great historians of the
last century, William Gladstone. You may have heard of him. Ran England for
awhile. A few more qualifications than you've evidenced to date. He said:

"Choosing points of the most definitive character, Christianity abolished (1)
gladiatorial shows, and other spectacles of horrid cruelty to men; (2) human
sacrifices; (3) polygamy; (4) exposure of children; (5) slavery (in its old
form, and has nearly accomplished the work in its new); (6) cannibalism. Next,
Christianity drove into the shade all unnatural lusts, and, indeed, all
irregular passions. But the former it effectually stamped as infamous. Next,
Christianity estalished (1) generally speaking, the moral and social equality
of women; (2) the duty of relieving the poor, the sick and the afflicted; (3)
peace, instead of war, as the ordinary presumptive relation between nations.
And in every one of these instances, except that of cannibalism, the
exhibition of what it did is in glaring contrast, not with barbarous but with
the most highly civilized life such as it was exhibited by the Greeks or
Romans in the most famous ages of both." [Quoted in Smith, Therefore Stand, p.
29-30]

I can almost hear you hyperventilating the words, "Inquisition! Crusades!" and
other references to mere blips on the historical screen, all of which faded
quickly. In contrast, the massive good Christianity has established for
all-time buries such trivia.

I recommend reading history instead of making it up.

Jim