<<And why are you assuming that the disciples did not lie to save their
lives ?>>
Because they were not in any danger of death until they began perpetuating the
resurrection story. This led to directly to their deaths. Why can't you see
this?
You appear to be raising frivolous objections.
<<Wouldn't they ? What would be the alternative ? Divulge the lie of jesus'
resurrection and lose faith, perhaps life and certainly lose a lot of
followers ?>>
This makes no sense. They had no followers. Their faith would be pointless if
they knew it to be a lie, divulged or not. Again, you are avoiding the use of
reason. For what purpose?
<<How certain was this persecution and death and how certain would if have
been if they had admitted the lie of Jesus' resurrection ?>>
It was pretty darn certain, since most of them were executed! And if they had
recanted, they would have lost nothing. The authorities would have liked
nothing better. They could have all gone home and taken up fishing again. Your
objections are not based on the real world.
Jim: You contended the same thing could be said of Islam and Hinduism. I
demonstrated that it cannot. Their beginnings were decidedly different.
Pim: I am merely pointing out that there is as much reason to doubt or belief
other religions as there is to believe or doubt christianity.
But you haven't supported this contention. You bring up silly arguments that
have no basis in human behavior or reality, and then you reach this
conclusion. The reason is that you desire to hold this conclusion, no matter
what the evidence shows. Is this any way to live?
Jim: Real world calling: They saw him dead and buried.
Pim: Did they ? How can you be sure ? We are talking about accounts by those
who believed he was dead.
Oh, so now you're saying Jesus WASN'T really dead so when they said he was
ALIVE it WASN'T really a lie. What theory are you going to stick with? You are
flying in so many directions a load of logical buckshot can't bring you back
to earth.
The famous Josephus passage, redacted by scholars to remove alteration,
confirms Jesus lived, and "Upon indictment brought by leading members of our
society, Pilate sentenced him to the cross..." So no serious scholar disputes
that Jesus was excecuted by Rome. History tells us Rome was quite efficient at
executing people. Your objections, once again, are frivolous.
Pim: After all how do we know that there was no collaboration to get
the stories straight ?
Ah, finally, the conspiracy theory! A grand conspiracy to come up with a solid
story that would get them all beaten and killed! These guys were REALLY smart!
Pim, don't bother calling Oliver Stone.
Jim