Re: Glenn's faith in catfish

Jim Bell (70672.1241@CompuServe.COM)
04 Jan 97 12:47:37 EST

Glenn wrote:

<<It should have been helpful. Until then you didn't seem to think it [the
catfish article] existed.>>

There you go again. Stop it, Aggie. I never questioned the existence of the
catfish or the article. I wanted more information from you, which you wouldn't
give, you sly one. But it was a good excuse to get me out to the library.

<<And as I noted above, gaps in the fossil record proliferate with every find
of a transitional form.>>

As I've noted in the past, your notes are not convincing. Nor is this bald
statement of evolutionary faith. (I recommend the Hair Club for Theories. I'm
not just the President, I'm also a client).

<<I am sorry Jim. I can not accept Walter as an authority on anything. When
he was here on the list he presented an argument which was based upon a faulty
definition of an allele.>>

The portions of Walter's book I presented were philosophical. The arguments
are sound. Try dealing with those.

You're fond of quoting the same stuff over and over again, so it is no
surprise you use the Wise quote once more. Of course, surprise sursprise, it's
selective. Let's read more, and you're certain to agree since you've cited him
as YOUR authority:

"However, they are also found in the fossil record as younger than the oldest
fossils of the ancestral group and older than the oldest fossils of the
descendant group." [p 227]

Here's more, with ellipses, because you have the book and I don't need to type
out everything:

"[T]he stratomorphic intermediate evidences are not without difficulty for
evolutionary theory. First, none of the stratomorphic intermediates have
intermediate structures. Although the entire organism is intermediate in
structure, it's the COMBINATION of structures that is intermediate, not the
nature of the structures themselves. Each of these organisms appears to be a
fully functional organism full of fully functional structures. [Explains
Archaeopteryx]...Stephen Jay Gould calls the resultant organisms 'mosaic
forms' or 'chimeras.' A such, they are really no more intermediate than any
other member of their group....

"As a result, the total list of claimed transitional forms is very samll (the
above list is very nearly complete) compared to the total number of mosaic
forms. The frequency seems intuitively too low for evolutionary theory."

I'm happy to agree with you and Kurt on this one. In fact, all of Kurt's
chapter is excellent. Thanks for reminding us.

JB <<They found some osteolepiform lungs? Where?

GM <<They find the markings for these features in the bones.

I don't think so. Authority?

<<What? Is this a special price for me? :-) Don't you do pro bono work?>>

Did you almost write "pro bozo"? ;-)

Jim