>The obvious point being that when we attempt to attach humanness to
>Neanderthal we must also be willing to accept the God-breathed spirit
>and personal relationship that God created with and in man (Adam). To be
>human is to be a personal, rational, and moral being holding the
>knowledge of God. Anything short of this is simply not human in my
>opinion. Do you disagree?
>
I fully agree, and for the record, I beleive Adam was a special creation
albeit in a different way than you.
>For the sake of argument, if one holds that Neanderthal preceded Adam,
>than he cannot be human by this definition. Any attempt to associate
>psycho-social God-breathed human qualities to something which does not
>have the image of God is not fruitful toward an understanding of the
>true evidence needed to establish humanness. It smacks of simple
>anthropomorphism. It also opens a host of questions about when and where
>evolution ends and the God-breathed life and spirit in man begins.
>
You were gone when I finally found the web site for the Neanderthal flute. It
is http://www.zrc-sazu.si/www/iza/piscal.html . Now, can we seriously believe
that an ape or non-spiritual being made and played the flute? In otherwords
do you believe in a mute, brute, who plays the flute?
>Time is immaterial to the argument at this juncture. If eventually a
>picture and evidence of Neanderthal humanness that reflects the
>knowledge and spirit of God develops, then, yes, Adam had to have
>preceded Neanderthal. It was Adam who first experienced God. What a
>marvelous model to seek to piece together.
>
Time is not irrelevant. This is the origins issue after all. If a spiritual
being was on earth prior to the appearance of anatomically modern humans, that
is an important piece of knowledge and needs to be incorporated into theology.
>The time argument is all too often served up as a red herring that
>distracts us from coming to a conclusion on the origin of man. We have
>become obsessed with it. I believe that the first man was specially
>created by God and that that creation did not include evolution. When it
>occurred is not as important to that discussion.
>
If you can't tell someone who, what,when, where, and how the events occurred,
then you have no theory of origins at all. And you have no science. Time is
not a red herring but an essential piece of the puzzle.
Who?-Adam; When?-5.5 million years ago. Where?- Mediterranean. How? go look at
my web page.
>GR>One of the things I have been trying to do with my researches into
>GR>anthropology is to show just how weak the answers christians have given
> on
>GR>these issues
>
>Than I have a question for you... Were Neanderthals human as I have
>defined?
YES!!!!!!
Foundation,Fall and Flood
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