>On Thu, 04 Jul 1996 15:21:14, Glenn Morton wrote:
>
>SJ>Now Glenn is "playing" his own "semantic game". He clearly says
>>above that "Christian apologists give" a "view" that "there needs to
>>be millions of them (mutation ) in order to change from one species
>>to another". He attempted to support this with quotes from said
>>"Christian apologists" writings. Now he finds his quotes don't
>>really support his view, so he switches his claim to only that "their
>>view NEEDS millions of mutations".
>
>GM>No, Stephen, I do not agree with you here. This thread started
>>because I pointed out that relatively few mutations were required to
>>make most of the morphological transtion between one species and
>>another--8 in the case of monkey flowers and possibly 5 in the case
>>of corn.
>
>Firstly, I thank Glenn for his temperate response. If he keeps this
>up, I might even start responding to him direct! :-)
>
Thank you Stephen. I have been holding my breath. I need this pat on the
head.
>Secondly, I do not disagree with the above, ie. that "relatively few
>mutations were required to make most of the morphological transtion
>between one species and another". The only point I asked Glenn for
>further clarification on was his claim on Wed, 19 Jun 1996 21:55:42
>that:
>
>"The often cited view Christian apologists give of the effects of
>mutation is that there needs to be millions of them in order to
>change from one species to another. This is wrong. Mutations to
>particular places on the DNA alter the morphology drastically without
>killing the individual or harming him badly enough to cause him not
>to be able to compete."
>
>On Fri, 21 Jun 96 06:40:45 +0800, I asked:
>
>"Perhaps Glenn can give examples where "Christian apologists" claim
>that "millions" of "mutations" are needed "in order to change from
>one species to another"?"
>
>To date Glenn has been unable to substantiate his claim with *even
>one* quote by "Christian apologists" that "there needs to be
>millions of them (mutations) in order to change from one species to
>another"
Stephen,
I wrote this:
"The often cited view Christian apologists give of the effects of mutation
is that there needs to be millions of them in order to change from one
species to another."
I provided documentation which was sufficient for anyone who has an
objective mind.
glenn
Foundation,Fall and Flood
http://members.gnn.com/GRMorton/dmd.htm