Re: Antiquity & Unity of Huma...

Jim Foley (jimf@vangelis.ncrmicro.ncr.com)
Fri, 1 Sep 95 16:13:18 MDT

>>>>> On Fri, 01 Sep 95 06:40:54 EDT, sjones@iinet.com.au (Stephen
>>>>> Jones) said:

GM>There is that famous reconstruction which creationist have made a
>lot out of, which shows a rather modern looking neanderthal. (I am
>sorry I can't give a citation for this).

>> Gish's "Evolution: The Challenge of the Fossil Record", 1986, at page
>> 205 has four photos entitled:

>> "Two flesh models of Neanderthal Man (Skhul V). From Rusch's Human
>> Fossils, in Rock Strata and the Bible Record, P. A. Zimmerman, Ed.,
>> Concordia Publishing House."

Glenn may be thinking of a reconstruction by Jay Matternes, done for the
October issue of a magazine called Science 81. Or so I'm told; I
haven't been able to find the magazine.

However, you can find illustrations of it at

http://access.digex.com/~medved/evolution/neander.html

No endorsement of the text of this page is implied; it was done by Ted
Holden, a legendary figure on talk.origins.

>> It wouldn't matter. My diagram shows a line from Neanderthals to
>> modern man (assuming H. neanderthalis and H. sapiens were
>> interfertile).

I would be very surprised if they weren't (which doesn't necessarily
mean that they should belong in the same species). Cultural differences
might have been a barrier to actual interbreeding.

>> I understand that H. erectus skulls (Cossack man?)
>> may have been found in Australia (no cracks please! :-)) only 10,000
>> years ago.

This is a common claim of creation scientists, but I don't know of any
mainstream scientists who say that. I have read a few statements by
scientists saying that in spite of primitive features on these skulls,
they are *definitely* Homo sapiens.

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