Re: Gradual Morphological Change

Jim Bell (70672.1241@compuserve.com)
06 Jun 95 14:38:31 EDT

Glenn writes:

<<If you do not think bytes in boxes are in any way similar to genese in
nature then do you also think that bytes in boxes are not similar to the way
an airplane flies? All aerodynamic work is now extensively tested in the
computer before a wind tunnel test is made. The bytes in the computer can so
closely model what happens in a wind-tunnel experiment that some people even
say that the wind-tunnel is unnecessary. If you really think simulations are
not useful, I would suggest that you tremble the next time you get on an
airplane.>>

Call me dull (just don't call me late for dinner), but I still don't see the
analogue. Airplanes are designed by intelligent creatures (at least, we all
hope so). Simulated conditions regarding these vehicles are ripe for computer
analysis, contemplation and correction.

This is a function of simulate and record, relating to an existing mechanism.
But with evolution, we are looking for mechanism itself.

I take it as a given that your program runs as advertised. But I share
Gordon's questions, and a conviction that mathematical possibility is not the
same as biological reality.

Did it really happen this way? Is all this plausible in nature, beyond the
theoretical construct? It seems to me the fossil record, which is available to
corroborate all this, gives a stark answer.

Glenn again:

<<Your failure to try these harmless little programs and
your failure to explain to me why the whale sequence is not a satisfactory
large morphological change by small steps, tells me that you are not
interested in the data of science. >>

I thought I cited a relevant article by Kurt Wise. I shall do so again, from
"The Creation Hypothesis", @ pgs. 227-228.

Also, the very term "whale sequence" begs the question, and leaves untouched
various problems, e.g., the vestigializing of useful limbs, the development of
complex underwater mechanisms, etc. This whale business seems quite similar to
the "scale to wing" myth.

I am most interested in the great leaps of faith Darwinists take WITH the
data. That is a very complex problem indeed.

Jim