Re: [asa] fellowship in this group

Right On!

The places Hitchens and Dawkins, etc, hang out don't have to put up with
their enemies disrupting them and being in their face all the time. They
are not cowards if they restrict their own forums. Its definitely insulting
and unfair to say they are.

In fact, for the ASA, if the ASA wants to dialog with atheists it would be
more beneficial to have Hitchens or Dawkins as a guest speaker for a month.
Let people chat with them. But you don't have to make that open ended. You
cut it off after a month.

And maybe the list members dont want to do that. It doesnt mean they are
cowards, it means they want to focus elsewhere.

I suggest the ASA should think about its policy towards guests. (Guests such
as Bernie).

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Schwarzwald <schwarzwald@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just to throw in my two cents as well...
>
> This list isn't the only forum I participate on. I personally am very happy
> to engage in apologetics, etc, elsewhere - to be frank, it's not at all hard
> to find forums on the internet or elsewhere where one can take on challenges
> far and wide to Christianity, theism, religion, etc. Indeed, it's very, very
> easy.
>
> But I reject the idea that every single religious gathering has to be like
> that, or worse, that wanting to partake in a group where the broadly
> like-minded gather is somehow 'walling themselves into their local church
> because they are afraid'. In fact, I find such a caricature inane and
> insulting, like suggesting Dawkins is an intellectual wimp because he
> doesn't allow equal time to Keith Ward or Plantinga every time he gives a
> speech or attends a pro-atheist gathering.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:16 PM, David Clounch <david.clounch@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Bernie,
>>
>> Its not fellowship within humanity (children of Adam). (BTW, You dont
>> believe in Adam anyway).
>>
>> Fellowship (koineneia) (to Christians) exists only between Christians.
>> Those who have been adopted have the same father. Its like going to a
>> holiday get together with brothers and sisters.
>>
>> When people answer the questions of a non-family member they are not doing
>> fellowship. They are doing apologetics. Your remarks and challenges apply
>> to apologetics. But apologetics is for people who sign up to do that. Many
>> here came here for the fellowship - to settle some things between
>> Christians. I know this because private messages to me have said so. A lot
>> of people are uncomfortable joining something expecting fellowship only to
>> find challenges against the family and the entire fellowship.
>>
>> I don't think anybody is against doing apologetics as long as it doesn't
>> distract. BUT I'd say we should should dialog more with people of the
>> book. I mean Muslims. Where are they on the list? Christians have vastly
>> more in common with Muslims than they do with western atheistic
>> secularists. Well, all that isn't up to me...just throwing in my 2 cents
>> worth.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dave C
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Dehler, Bernie <bernie.dehler@intel.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> David said:
>>> “I'd like to ask if there is any tenet of Christianity you would defend
>>> as being true? “
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m in the state of mind now that I’m against the beliefs of all
>>> ‘revealed religions,’ but I think there is some good stuff in there. For
>>> example, in Christianity, I like the ideas of “the fruit of the spirit” and
>>> focus on emotional maturity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As for fellowship on this list, I would hope the fellowship is in truth
>>> seekers honestly seeking answers to questions dealing with
>>> religion/science. I’m still learning a lot and appreciate the feedback. I
>>> know of no other group that consists of educated Christians in science
>>> willing to discuss these things.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know I can be a threat to those who are defensive only. Some are only
>>> in it for validation and don’t want to hear anything contrarywise, and so
>>> they have a very low tolerance for difference of opinion. But I think such
>>> a person needs to grow up and not be catered to. Let them stay in the local
>>> church where people are afraid to talk about difficult issues because it may
>>> bring disunity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> …Bernie
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* David Clounch [mailto:david.clounch@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 14, 2009 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Dehler, Bernie
>>> *Cc:* asa@calvin.edu
>>> *Subject:* Re: [asa] Evolution Conference Washington, DC - language
>>> confusion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bernie,
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask if there is any tenet of Christianity you would defend as
>>> being true? Can you list some of them? I think its important to understand
>>> if there is any common ground, in the interest of, as George and others put
>>> it, fellowship.
>>>
>>> Dave C
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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