Re: [asa] 10 Books That Screwed Up the World

I seem to have come across this somewhere - most recently today.

Anything the slightest bit related to Darwin attracts a super-abundance of
this practice.

Paul beat me to referring to Morris and Whitcomb

I have just returned from a Darwin conference in Germany and creationism
came up as papers presented problems in Russia, Hong Kong and Italy.

I would suggest that M and W will have considerable effect , mostly bad, on
the churches of all countries this century as the problem they have caused
is increasing

Michael
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From: <gmurphy10@neo.rr.com>
To: "Pete Enns" <peteenns@mac.com>; "Ted Davis" <TDavis@messiah.edu>
Cc: "AmericanScientificAffiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>; "John Walley"
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Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] 10 Books That Screwed Up the World

> Related to this is an unfortunate fact emphasized in my seminary training
> by Duane Priebe: Christian theologians have often acted as if the 8th
> Commandment (9th for most protestants) against bearing false witness
> didn't apply in theological debates. If God's truth is ast stake you can
> pull out all the stops, ignore any legitimate motives of your opponent,
> misrepresent his/her views, associate him/her with any convenient heresy
> &c. Church history bears abundant witness to this kind of thing. ICR's
> recent attack on Collins is one example (though honoring ICR with the
> title "theologians" is a stretch).
>
> Shalom,
> George
>
> ---- Pete Enns <peteenns@mac.com> wrote:
>> Ted,
>>
>> As for your last point, that is certainly true, but from the
>> perspective of the "herd," the reading of sources "as you like it" is
>> indeed sanctioned and encouraged. In my experience, the reason for
>> this is that a reasoned exchange of ideas is not foremost on the
>> herd's mind, but protection of an identity. It is OK to pull out all
>> the stops--even willingly misrepresent--if what is at stake is nothing
>> less than an entire world view that they know simply must be correct,
>> or all else will begin to unravel. Since you know you are right, you
>> only need treat counter-evidence in whatever way necessary to maintain
>> your own position. In other words, the reason why reason does not work
>> with the herd is because the real issue is not truth but social
>> identity.
>>
>> Pete Enns
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Ted Davis wrote:
>>
>> > I am in general not impressed with Ben Wiker's understanding of
>> > early modern sources, such as Descartes (in this particular book) or
>> > Boyle and Newton (in his earlier book, "Moral Darwinism." I've
>> > commented on the latter at length in the fairly distant past. The
>> > fact that Descartes was a serious theist who used scepticism to
>> > undermine scepticism -- including scepticism about God -- is
>> > apparently all it takes for Wiker to put "Discourse on Method" on
>> > his own little version of the Index, or at least on the list of
>> > other candidates.
>> >
>> > You can get noticed by the herd, if you speak loudly and often
>> > enough. That doesn't constitute a license to read the sources as
>> > you like it.
>> >
>> > Ted
>> >
>> >
>> >
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