Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (and now the flood)

Agreed but he is not a young Christian that is over his head in the science faith debate. He and Fuz both can and should know better. If I figured this out, they have no excuse. It is a manifestation of their PRIORITIES and CHOICES like Bernie has correctly noted. It is the same as Ken Ham but just not as bad fortunately.

I don't want to take anything away from them and their ministry and hope they keep doing everything they are doing now, but just without discrediting themselves by being publicly anti-evolution. Even if they became closet TE's and never ever came out for it but would just stop fighting it that would be a major breakthrough and victory for them and the church.

Thanks

John

--- On Fri, 10/31/08, Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk> wrote:

> From: Michael Roberts <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (and now the flood)
> To: "Dehler, Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>, asa@calvin.edu
> Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 2:50 PM
> I feel that is a bit harsh on Ross. Yes he has an agenda but
> he does provide an alternative to YEC.
>
> I don't wish defend Ross's ideas as I find many
> limited in value but neither would I attack them
>
> To me if one can persuade a YEC that the earth is at least
> a million years old that is excellent. To use an analogy
> from the 1944 beaches, they are off Omaha Beach and two
> miles from the shore. (I have visited the beaches several
> times and recently a WWII emplacement at Galveston which
> amazed me.
>
> Michael
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dehler,
> Bernie" <bernie.dehler@intel.com>
> To: <asa@calvin.edu>
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 5:18 PM
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (and now
> the flood)
>
>
> Personally, I don't think the goal of Hugh Ross is to
> follow the truth wherever it leads. I think his goal is to
> defend the Bible in the atmosphere of an attack from
> science, and the YEC position is not viable, which leaves
> him and his OEC interpretation. Therefore, he's trying
> to defend the Bible by using as much science as possible.
> If he were to accept evolution, he'd have to change his
> theological interpretation, and I think his theological
> interpretation comes first.
>
> Sometimes science demands a new theological interpretation,
> and he's resisting that... probably for the sake of
> keeping the faith the same as it always was
> (traditionalism), even in the face of modern science.
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu
> [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Ted Davis
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 6:48 AM
> To: James Patterson; asa@calvin.edu; john_walley@yahoo.com
> Cc: bstuart@reasons.org
> Subject: RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs (and now
> the flood)
>
> >>> John Walley <john_walley@yahoo.com>
> 10/31/2008 7:56 AM >>> writes:
>
> I agree with RTB and ID on general principles if they
> wouldn't deny and
> spin CD and they wouldn't try to overplay their hand
> and call faith science.
>
>
> Ted comments:
> This reflects Hugh Ross' personal approach to religious
> faith. I've heard
> him speak several times, and every time I come away with
> the overwhelming
> impression that he is a modern Cartesian--he requires
> absolute proof for
> something before he will "believe" it. It's
> a highly unusual attitude for a
> religious person, in my experience. I understand
> everything I just wrote,
> but I don't understand it all.
>
> He seems to strike a chord with many Christians, however,
> judging from the
> size and influence of his ministry. IMO, however, he puts
> far too much
> confidence in science's ability to generate indubitable
> propositions, and
> he's set the bar for religious belief far too high.
> Whatever happened to
> Polanyi's insight that we often need to commit to
> things that we can't be
> sure about?
>
> Ted
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