RE: [asa] Does science negate the need for God?

"...& even at that they should be limited to the scientific areas that they know something about. "

In that case, no one could say anything about the status of science in general, since no one is a scientist in every scientific field.

George- since you have a Ph.D. in physics, what is your estimate of how much we know about everything in just the field of physics? Obviously it's a guess, but I'm wondering if you'd go for 1%, 50%, 90%, or what... My hunch is that you'd like to not give a number and keep it vague, but I'd like to get some number from you if I can...

...Bernie

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I hope it will not seem elitist if I say that statements about how little we know of science are considerably more significant coming from scientists than from non-scientists. & even at that they should be limited to the scientific areas that they know something about. Otherwise they have about the same value as my statements about Japanese literature - d.h., not much.

Shalom,
George

---- "Dehler wrote:
> Pastor Murray quoting Saunders:
> " we know very little about science in the grand scheme of things"
>
> I said that at first, too, then decided to drive it home a little deeper by putting a number on it, like less than 1%. Of course that is a guess based on nothing, but it is trying to point out the difference in thought of how far we have yet to go. Just saying "we know little" doesn't mean much- it could be 50%, or whatever someone wants to translate it too. Just think if we discover a new dimension... how much more information that would bring to science... and that's just one example. We could also create new transformational technologies, as we did with microwave, transistors, electronics, computers, nuclear power, etc.
>
> ...Bernie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Murray Hogg
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:37 PM
> To: ASA
> Subject: Re: [asa] Does science negate the need for God?
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> You wrote:
> > What did you think about my saying we only know about 1% of science? I
> > never heard anyone else say that.
>
> Nick Saunders of Cambridge mentions the point in passing in an online lecture "Divine Action in Modern Science" a recording of which can be found at the Faraday Institute;
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5vbeam
>
> At about 2 minutes into the lecture he states;
>
> <cite>
> "...there are of course limits to what we can know about the nature of divine action as human beings. We have a very limited perspective on God's transcendence, we know very little about science in the grand scheme of things..."
> </cite>
>
> I don't recall if he makes much of the point subsequently in that lecture OR if he develops the idea elsewhere - although the lecture mentions his book "Divine Action and Modern Science" (http://tinyurl.com/5m7eqj) and he might discuss the issue there.
>
> You might like to keep in mind that some YECs often argue that the acceptance of Darwinism is grounded in ignorance;
>
> <cite: http://tinyurl.com/6zhw3h>
> Advances in the realm of science also reveal the true face of outdated theories such as Darwinism, long regarded as valid because of the scientific ignorance that once prevailed.
> </cite>
>
> Need I add that I am not advocating such a position, merely pointing out that some YECs argue thus? I mention it only so as you can avoid the potential danger of guilt by association.
>
> Blessings,
> Murray
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