RE: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

Let us stop this nonsense about Obama. You ask yourself how many years you have gone to your church. In addition, how much do you know of what goes on from the pulpit while you are not in church? Well Obama went to a church for TWENTY YEARS and claims he did not know the sort of messages that were delivered from the pulpit while he was not there. Would you yourself make such a claim? Have you thought that perhaps his wife and children were there while he was absent? Obama's church is based on black liberation theology-"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian" http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27 <http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=27>

When I lived in Mexico City in the 70's, I was invited by a Christian missionary friend of ours to attend a conference where many Christians from different countries, especially Latin America, gave prepared speeches. There was one from Cuba; BTW, I am Cuban by birth, who presented the Christian faith as an appendix of Marxism. They emphasize the social aspect of the Christian faith and totally forget the death and resurrection of Jesus---the historical event that essentially defines the Christian faith. To the amazement of my friend, I stood up and indicated that he was co-opting the Christian faith for political reasons. I do not know what made me stand up first and speak out, but I did. Let us not be fooled by mere sweet words. You are supposed to be smart. Act accordingly.

 
Moorad

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From: Iain Strachan [mailto:igd.strachan@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun 10/26/2008 8:13 AM
To: Alexanian, Moorad
Cc: John Burgeson (ASA member); George Cooper; asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Advice for conversing with YECs

Moorad,

What Burgy wrote totally negates what you said. How can you possibly be so dishonest?? Or do you only read the bits you want to hear and conveniently ignore the rest?

You wrote:

Those who take Genesis literally ought to be the least of our worries. We have a presidential candidate who professes to be a Christian, nonetheless, he said in a TV interview, "My Muslim Faith." The anchor George Stephanopoulos of ABC subsequently corrected him. I ask you, what Christian would ever say that, even by mistake? Imagine the damage to the Christian faith if such a person becomes president.

That is a disgraceful slander on Obama. A further Snopes web page

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

gives plenty of evidence of Obama's Christian faith - including pointing out that sometime in the mid-80's he made a public profession of faith in a church in response to an altar call.

The post Burgy sent also ended with Obama saying he finds it deeply offensive the suggestions coming out of the republican camp that he is not a Christian.

I also find your post and rumour-mongering deeply offensive. Please either retract them and admit that you were indulging in deeply un-christian behaviour, or expect your name to be added to my trash filter so I don't have to read any more of this offensive kind of stuff. You should be ashamed of yourself - not least because your vicious and unfounded speculations have nothing whatever to do with the dialogue between science and Christianity, which is what this list is supposed to be about.

Iain

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Received on Sun Oct 26 08:52:28 2008