RE: Re: [asa] A theology question (imminent return of Christ)

Jack said: "I wish I could afford one. I have my eye on the new FX50"

Save the money and put it in God's kingdom instead. That sexy piece of sheet metal is going to burn or melt down when the Lord returns soon (2 Peter 3:1-13).

...Bernie

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Subject: Re: Re: [asa] A theology question (imminent return of Christ)

And the heavens stretch to Infiniti, I wish I could afford one. I have my eye on the new FX50

Oct 23, 2008 05:41:17 PM, michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk wrote:
Fiats are not particularly well-made unlike Hondas. I am afraid I have a
Toyota
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From: "David Campbell"
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [asa] A theology question (imminent return of Christ)

> Although parts of II Peter and Jude are so similar that either one
> quotes the other or both quote a common source, there are differences.
> In II Peter, the scoffers are seen as future. In Jude they are
> already present (though this does not prove that it has to be the end
> in Jude's view-cf. I John on the antichrist coming in the future but
> plenty of prototypes are already present).
>
> "Adam was not made by evolution, and was made by fiat."
>
> Perhaps he was made by Fiat, but he was driven out in a Fury (cf.
> carpooling in the NT-"The apostles were all in one Accord.")
>
> "the Bible clearly teaches the imminent return of Christ in the
> lifetime of the disciples"
>
> As the relevant passages are some of the most disputed in
> interpretation throughout church history, it seems highly dubious that
> "clearly" is the right word. That's not to say that you can't argue
> that it is the right interpretation, but I'm highly skeptical of any
> claim to have figured out eschatology. More fundamentally, the points
> of Biblical eschatology are "Be prepared-don't slack off" and "God
> will set things right and vindicate His people", not "Here's how to
> calculate what will happen."
>
> (Incidentally, the churches I've been in have all been fairly quietly
> amillenial-no directional change over time-though individual members
> or studies used are not necessarily amillenial.)
>
> The Tyndale NT commentary series from IVP tends to take the two-part
> interpretation of the apocalyptic passages in the Synoptics (i.e.,
> Jesus distinguishes between two events-the imminent destruction of
> Jerusalem, and a final judgement.) and could be consulted for more
> details on that approach.
>
> Although the idea that some sort of cosmic upheaval is envisioned as a
> part of the end times in the NT is quite plausible, it's important to
> realize that such imagery is a stock part of apocalyptic writing and
> not necessarily to be taken literally in detail in its original
> intent. For instance, Jeremiah described the Bablylonian destruction
> of Jerusalem as a return to primordial chaos (formless and void), an
> obvious bit of hyperbole. Similarly, a couple of passages in
> Revelation explicitly identify "stars" as angels, raising cautions
> about interpreting other references to stars. Thus, a precise
> interpretation of what will happen to the earth is problematic.
> Apocalyptic imagery often uses statements that are mutally
> contradictory if taken as precise prophecy of future historic events,
> but are coherent if merely taken as providing imagery evocative of
> security, peace, well-being, defeat of the wicked, etc. This has been
> described as making pictures with words.
>
> --
> Dr. David Campbell
> 425 Scientific Collections
> University of Alabama
> "I think of my happy condition, surrounded by acres of clams"
>
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