Re: [asa] Study claims that Parallel Universes really do exist.

As I am physically and cosmologically challenged I have a very rudimentary understanding of the whole multiverse thing. I sort of understand and would only explain it in a very general way.

However what is needed is some serious theological thinking to see how far a multiverse can be included in a theistic viewpoint. As I have long thought that we should be wary of equating the Big Bang with the initial creation and that there may be something before that, multiverses may be just that.

I wonder what a Fr Coyne, or a Polkinghorne have to say about this.

Though I do not like the idea of a multiverse I am reluctant to say it is unacceptable theologically. However I do not have the scientific or theological ability to make a case.

Michael
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  From: philtill@aol.com
  To: gmurphy@raex.com ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 8:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] Study claims that Parallel Universes really do exist.

    Paul Davies, who has written extensively on cosmology, anthropic principles, multiverse, life in the universe &c (& is a Templeton Prize winner) will be the main speaker & I'll be giving one of the presentations as well.

  George, this is interesting. The last I heard of Paul Davies he was in a video of him speaking at a conference that was strategizing how to overthrow religion in the civilized world. He couched his statements that, although he believes in a God/god along the lines of Spinoza and Einstein, he was sympathetic with the goals of the conference with respect to traditional religions. If he is now speaking at a Lutheran conference intended to encourage believing scientists, then where is he personally on these issues?

  Phil

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  From: George Murphy <gmurphy@raex.com>
  To: Iain Strachan <igd.strachan@gmail.com>; asa <asa@calvin.edu>
  Sent: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:02 pm
  Subject: Re: [asa] Study claims that Parallel Universes really do exist.

  Pim noted this in a post on 20 Sept. I pointed out then that, whatever else it may do, it certainly does not prove that parallel universes exist. If A => B and B is true, it doesn't necessarily follow than A is true.

  In view of some later posts in this thread, it's also worth noting that the many worlds interpretation of QM, now 50 years old, isn't the same as the multiverse theories that arise from some inflationary cosmologies, string theory &c.

  & while I'm at it, let me call attention to a symposium on "Christ, Cosmology and Creation" which will be held in 2 weeks (12-14 October). Paul Davies, who has written extensively on cosmology, anthropic principles, multiverse, life in the universe &c (& is a Templeton Prize winner) will be the main speaker & I'll be giving one of the presentations as well. This is at a Lutheran camp/retreat center near Phoenix & is sponsored by the ELCA Alliance on Faith, Science and Technology - but you don't have to be Lutheran to participate! It's the 4th of the "Sunday Scientist Symposia" whose purpose is to help scientists who are Christians to use their expertise in the service of the church & to encourage them to do so. Especially if you're in the southwest, give it a try. You can find more info at http://www.elca.org/faithandscience/ .

  Shalom
  George
  http://web.raex.com/~gmurphy/
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    From: Iain Strachan
    To: asa
    Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:45 AM
    Subject: [asa] Study claims that Parallel Universes really do exist.

    This seems to have come up in the last week, originally reported, I believe in New Scientist.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paUniverse_sun14_parallel_universes&show_article=1&cat=0

    The punch-line is:

    The Oxford team, led by Dr David Deutsch, showed mathematically that the bush-like branching structure created by the universe splitting into parallel versions of itself can explain the probabilistic nature of quantum outcomes.

    Does anyone know anything about this? Is it really anything new (one expert commenting in New Scientist) says it will go down as one of the most important discoveries in the history of science. In the absence of details, it's hard to tell whether or not this is just journalist hype.

      It seems to me that showing mathematically that the branching structure of the universe can explain the probabilistic nature of quantum outcomes is NOT the same as proving that the parallel universes exist, and falls foul of the same fallacy as the Design argument - because we know that Designers can explain intricate mechanisms from watches is not the same thing as saying that the existence of apparent design implies the existence of the Designer.

    In order to show that the parallel universes really exist, one would have to find independent predictions from the theory, that differ from, say Copenhagen, which can be tested against.

    It is of great interest that a forthcoming Christians In Science meeting in Oxford on October 15th is on multiverses.

    Iain

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