Re: [asa] ID without specifying the intelligence?

From: Carol or John Burgeson <burgytwo@juno.com>
Date: Mon Sep 17 2007 - 13:52:54 EDT

David wrote: "
I fear you are thinking of determinism as total control of effects, as in
macrophysics. Free will introduces a distinct element (like purpose) into
the causal relationship. There is a great deal of confusion here, with
causality equated to strict determinism, with chance/indeterminism as the
alternative. But then I couldn't know whether I would kiss my wife or
kick her, for it just happens. But then there is no warrant that I'd get
home rather than wandering off into unknown places. I note that even the
indeterminism ascribed to quantum effects is partly limited by
deterministic forces, so that prediction is statistical."

Sorry, I really don't understand your post.

Determinism, to me, is the concept that all happens s "particles hit
particles." (or force fields interact with other fields). Determinism,
then, says that I have no choice in what I write to you here.

I reject that concept for it is simple a "performative contradiction." I
understand that some people much more learned than I hold it as
fundamental. Three books that have heavily influenced my thinking on this
have been reviewed by me for PSCF. The reviews are at:

www.burgy.50megs.com/griffin.htm

www.burgy.50megs.com/truth.htm

www.burgy.50megs.com/one.htm

The first two are by David Ray Griffin; the last by John Polkinghorne.

Cheers

Burgy

"Any one thing in the creation is sufficient to demonstrate a Providence
to a humble and grateful mind." --Epictetus

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