RE: [asa] Re: ID without specifying the intelligence?

I suppose, therefore, that we are to take the meaning of what science is just as that for pornography, "I know it when I see it." Not too "scientific."

 
Moorad

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From: Michael Roberts [mailto:michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk]
Sent: Fri 9/14/2007 12:29 PM
To: Alexanian, Moorad; PvM
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ID without specifying the intelligence?

Moorad

I support Pim as you clearly do not know what science is, despite all
attempts to help you understand.

Science is far more than physics, as George pointed out. He is a physicist
who understands what science is!

It is clear to me that Peter is asking frivolous questions when he has no
interest in either finding out what science is or accepting what science is.

It is no wonder some us give impatient answers. Perhaps we should heed the
advice in Proverbs 26.5

Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "PvM" <pvm.pandas@gmail.com>; "Peter Loose" <peterwloose@compuserve.com>
Cc: <rpaulmason@juno.com>; <heddle@gmail.com>; <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] Re: ID without specifying the intelligence?

> You have no right to use the word science to say something is not
> science if we do not know what you mean by science.
>
> Moorad
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of PvM
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 11:01 AM
> To: Peter Loose
> Cc: rpaulmason@juno.com; heddle@gmail.com; asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ID without specifying the intelligence?
>
> The matter is really simple, whether or not ID is science is
> irrelevant, it's scientifically vacuous. If by rigging the results you
> mean that science expects that contributions to it have some
> scientific relevance then let it be so.
>
> But in all honesty, ID has rigged the issue by conflating terminology
> and misleading its followers about what it is and what it isn't.
>
> So in other words, I do not have to define what is science and what it
> isn't. All I have to do is ask some simple questions
>
> 1. How does ID explain the bacterial flagellum?
> 2. What non trivial contributions has ID made to science?
> 3. What predictions follow logically from the premises of ID?
>
> The answers
>
> 1. It does not
> 2. Nothing
> 3. None
>
>
> On 9/14/07, Peter Loose <peterwloose@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well PvM, that's quite remarkable. I've asked the questions:
>>
>> "What is Science?
>>
>> What is the purpose of Science?
>>
>> And
>>
>> Who says that is the case?"
>>
>> But your response avoids the question by raising the matter of ID. I
> did not
>> raise that. Until the question I asked is discussed it is vacuous to
>> consider what may be 'in' or 'out' scientifically. There has to be an
> agreed
>> 'definition' of science.
>>
>> How can one categorise a matter as 'unscientific' such as you do for
> ID,
>> without first saying what science is, positively? Are you implying
> that all
>> 'space' not occupied by ID is science? I hope not.
>>
>> It's like trying to measure an object but having no agreed ruler or
>> 'standard' to measure it by. That is incoherent and illogical.
>>
>> Or is the prevailing consensus definition of 'science' likely to
> expose the
>> reality of my contention, namely it rigs the result? Is this the
>> trade-secret of neo-Darwinism?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: pvm.pandas@gmail.com [mailto:pvm.pandas@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:02 PM
>> To: Peter Loose
>> Cc: rpaulmason@juno.com; heddle@gmail.com; asa@calvin.edu
>> Subject: Re: [asa] Re: ID without specifying the intelligence?
>>
>>
>> THen explain to me what you believe science should be that it would
>> include a vacuous concept like ID to be called 'scientific'?
>> What has ID contributed to our knowledge?
>>
>> On 9/13/07, Peter Loose <peterwloose@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > PvM says
>> >
>> > <Why is ID not science ?>
>> >
>> >
>> > I see the response as interesting but not immediately relevant.
>> >
>> > Why?
>> >
>> > Until there is clarity on:
>> >
>> > What is Science?
>>
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