RE: [asa] What Does ID Add?

Some time ago, I asked for a definition of historical science and none was forthcoming. Why not advance a definition so that we know what you mean by the term "historical science?"

Moorad

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From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of Michael Roberts
Sent: Sun 9/9/2007 5:15 PM
To: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: Re: [asa] What Does ID Add?

Here we go again! Another sweeping condemnation of so-called Darwinism,
based on your peculiar and extreme view of science.

The sooner you realise that science includes HISTORICAL SCIENCE the better,
because until you do, your views are worthless. That is why I wrote you need
to learn some science.

Michael

PS how's the peppered moth?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alexanian, Moorad" <alexanian@uncw.edu>
To: "John Walley" <john_walley@yahoo.com>; "Iain Strachan"
<igd.strachan@gmail.com>; "Peter Loose" <peterwloose@compuserve.com>
Cc: "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>;
"AmericanScientificAffiliation" <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [asa] What Does ID Add?

> The philosophical/theological claims made by those who believe in
> Darwinism, which clearly goes beyond unadulterated science, must be fought
> in that arena and ID proponents have fought a very valid fight.
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> Moorad
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> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu on behalf of John Walley
> Sent: Sun 9/9/2007 8:58 AM
> To: 'Iain Strachan'; 'Peter Loose'
> Cc: 'David Opderbeck'; 'AmericanScientificAffiliation'
> Subject: RE: [asa] What Does ID Add?
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> Agreed. It is not about ID vs. Darwinism. It should be about the truth.
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> I am sympathetic to ID in that they have raised several valid objections
> to Darwinism but the conclusion is not as simple as "Poof! God did it"
> like they would have you believe. There is religion and dogma on both
> sides of the argument and the truth lies somewhere in the middle in my
> opinion.
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> So committing to a philosophy first and subsequently fitting the evidence
> around it is counterproductive to a search for truth. I think this applies
> equally to both sides.
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> John
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> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of Iain Strachan
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:13 AM
> To: Peter Loose
> Cc: David Opderbeck; AmericanScientificAffiliation
> Subject: Re: [asa] What Does ID Add?
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> Peter wrote:
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> "Why is it seemingly important for many Christians to identify strongly
> with Darwinism?"
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> It's not important to identify strongly with Darwinism per se. But what
> IS important to me is to attempt to be perfectly honest in pursuit of the
> truth. For a while I was myself tempted down the YEC route. But in the
> end I found that the science ( sorry I should say pseudo-science)
> promoted by organisations such as AiG was completely insupportable, and
> that I could no longer hold those views and maintain my personal
> integrity. See my other posting about AiG's commitment to Russ
> Humphreys's cosmology, despite it being rigorously disproven by another
> YEC who at least is honest enough to admit it's not a solved problem. I'm
> not aligning myself with an organisation that refuses to look honestly at
> all the evidence.
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> What we have to do is to go with what the best evidence we have shows, if
> we are to be honest in our science. If evidence turns up that strongly
> counts against Darwinism in favour of something else, then, and only then,
> does Darwinism go out of the window.
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> Iain
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