Re: [asa] The unexpected burden of IVF

I think that the tactic that Janice uses here is dishonest, and not behavior that I would expect from a fellow believer.

Certainly, anything that I say on this forum, is fodder for discussion, but it is unbliblical to resort to the kind of skullduggery, that Janice resorts to here.
Janice combined two quotes, on different topics, in different threads, into one paragraph. Since I must clarify what Janice has muddled this is what I said: ""..but if the embryos are there, and they are just going to be destroyed, why shouldnt we use them for stem cell research, even if one thinks that they are fully human? " This quote was from the thread "The unexpected burden of IVF".

But what is reprehensible about what she does is that she follows this quote with: "... I was reading an issue of PCSF from Dec 06 on this topic. http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2006/PSCF12-06Peterson.pdf You, should read it. One of the criteria he proposed was that a soul requires a body. In other words "ensoulment" could not occur in an embryo that is just a collection of cells, but would require some differentiation, some development of organs. And even though he did not mention it, I think that at the point that the neuro-axis is differentiated is probably as good a point as any to consider the embryo human. " ~ Jack"

In fact this quote was from the "Worthy of response?" thread, and was not at all referring to using the existing embryo's. She implies that this quote was about the topic of using the existing embryo's by including my quote "on this topic", which was actually referring to an entirely different topic.

How much longer is this list going to have to put up with this type of behavior? Many of us misbehave here at times, but Janice is the most prolific.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Janice Matchett
  To: drsyme@cablespeed.com ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 1:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [asa] The unexpected burden of IVF

  drsyme@cablespeed.com wrote:

    "..but if the embryos are there, and they are just going to be destroyed, why shouldnt we use them for stem cell research, even if one thinks that they are fully human? ... I was reading an issue of PCSF from Dec 06 on this topic. http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2006/PSCF12-06Peterson.pdf You, should read it. One of the criteria he proposed was that a soul requires a body. In other words "ensoulment" could not occur in an embryo that is just a collection of cells, but would require some differentiation, some development of organs. And even though he did not mention it, I think that at the point that the neuro-axis is differentiated is probably as good a point as any to consider the embryo human. " ~ Jack

  @ "Christians" who make that argument - in order to be consistent - would have to be prepared to say that since Jesus didn't have (their definition of what they think is) a "body" as an embryo , it would also be okay to use it for stem cell research.

  How many of those who earn their living in the abortion industry, the fertility industry, and other "related" multi-billion dollar industries, are people who believe in a God who actually came in the flesh and dwelt among us?

  I can confidently say, very few.

  ~ Janice .... I caution you in this way, dear friends though I am well aware that your conviction is as firm as my own; but I would fain protect you in advance against certain beasts of prey in human form. If you can you should avoid all contact with these persons, much less give them any sort of acceptance. . After all if everything our Lord did was only an illusion then these chains of mine must be illusory too! Also, to what end have I given myself up to perish by fire or sword or savage beasts? . Yet there are some who in their blindness still reject him-or rather are rejected by him . So what is the point of my standing well in the opinion of a man who blasphemes my Lord by denying that he ever bore a real human body? In saying that, he denies everything else about him; and the body he himself is bearing must be nothing but a corpse. My pen declines to write the names of these infidels, and I would even wish to have them erased from my memory altogether .~ Ignatius of Antioch (Ep. Smyr. 4-5)

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