Re: [asa] the Way Science Works/

What good creation comes without design? What do we make of any worth that is not design and build?

Once ID gets design to be plausible, then a creator is the only logical answer. Unfortunately, they offer nothing of worth. To assume a link to the Creator via the wiggle mechanism of a bacteria's tail is ad hoc and embarrassing.

My view of Genesis 1 is that it is written to place focus not on that which is made, but on who is its maker. It is primarily about assignment; "In the beginning.... God". It is also about order, and it establishes a comfortable framework for the worrisome minds of mankind.

Since the traditionally viewed framework of Genesis is now in conflict with science, reinterpretation is required. People who see it as a fairy tale will certainly have little reason to take it seriously. Doing wonderful Christian acts are good, but doing it from a foundation that is seen as truth is also important. The Bible can not be good in part; it must be good in whole.

Helio

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  From: WENDEE HOLTCAMP
  To: 'Randy Isaac' ; asa@calvin.edu
  Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 12:23 AM
  Subject: RE: [asa] the Way Science Works/

  Not to me, creation as a process indicates evolution to me, not design. How can we surmise or guess what God did before he began creation? That just seems presumptuous. Science indicates evolution not design. So that's what I'll stick to until the weight of evidence changes.

  I think the masses of people should not be concerned about this issue of ID. Why do Christians care? I don't get it. Either they want to defeat evolution, which is an agenda, or they think it's actually correct but really don't we Christians have more important duties such as taking care of the poor, spreading the good news, and many other things Jesus called us to?

  W.

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  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Isaac
  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 7:18 PM
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  Wendee,

      Isn't there a sense in which Gen. 1:24 and 25 strongly suggests a design component? The verbs used do not imply ex nihilo creation but a process. I believe the Hebrew terms for "bring forth" and "made" indicate processes which typically have a design connotation. I wonder if the phrase "God designed the animals" might not be closer to the actual BIblical text than "God created the animals" though I would think both are correct when understood in the context. The two are not exclusive. It all depends on one's connotation of the words.

      Randy

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    From: WENDEE HOLTCAMP

    To: asa@calvin.edu

    Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:58 PM

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     A 2nd grade Abeka science book begins with the text, "God designed the animals." Design is not even the Biblical word which was "God *created* the animals." This means that Christian educators have not only bypassed the scientific system, but also undermined the integrity of the actual Biblical text

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