Re: [asa] Behe on TE... WAS Theological Naturalism

Well, ...it may be because his thinking (and position) may still be,
...uh, ...evolving...perhaps.
It's typically a slow process, and can have a number of intermediate states.
 JimA [Friend of ASA]

WENDEE HOLTCAMP wrote:

> I don't get this. Maybe I just don't understand terms. Why can he
> accept evolution, basically but not Theistic Evolution? What's the
> difference? Obviously TEs (me) accept God had a role. I don't know or
> care God's role - it's a holy mystery. So Behe thinks they can find
> signs of it, go for it but there's no way they can prove it's God. So
> what's the point? Just to shoot down Darwin? Anwyay I just don't get
> why he thinks TE is not compatible with "Darwinism"? How does he
> define Darwinism? I guess I'll have to read his book...
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> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu]
> On Behalf Of Gregory Arago
> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:42 PM
> To: John Walley; 'George Murphy'; 'David Campbell'; asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: RE: [asa] Behe on TE... WAS Theological Naturalism
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>
> Thanks John. Wow did you type out the whole passage, or scan and copy
> it...must've taken some time!
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>
>
> The last paragraph is direct:
>
> "Those who worry about "interference" should relax. The purposeful
> design of life to any degree is easily compatible with the idea that,
> after its initiation, the universe unfolded exclusively by the
> intended playing out of natural laws. The purposeful design of life is
> also fully compatible with the idea of universal common descent, one
> important facet of Darwin's theory. What the purposeful design of life
> is not compatible with, however, is Darwin's proposed mechanism of
> evolution-random variation and natural selection-which sought to
> explain the development of life explicitly with out recourse to
> guidance or planning by anyone or anything at any time."
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>
> So it is really Darwinian evolution, and not evolution in general,
> that Behe is arguing against? Does he not argue against other types of
> evolution and speak about their limits also in Edge of Evolution? Is
> it presumable that what he rejects in Darwin is purposeless evolution
> or meaningless evolution or materialistic evolution, i.e. atheistic
> evolution?
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>
>
> He says Theistic Evolution is not compatible with Darwinism. Yet a
> respected foe like Michael Ruse suggests a person can be a Darwinist
> and also a Christian. Yet Darwin wasn't a Christian. And neither is
> Ruse. So who should we accord authority too?
>
>
>
> G. Arago
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> John Walley <john@walley-world.org> wrote:
>
> I found this today in the last chapter of Behe's book. It is his
> distinction between TE and Darwinism that I though some may find
> interesting.
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>
>
> John
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>
>
> The Edge of Evolution
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> By Michael J. Behe
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> Pages 229-232
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>
> But the assumption that design unavoidably requires
> "interference" rests mostly on a lack of imagination. There's no
> reason that the extended fine-tuning view I am presenting here
> necessarily requires active meddling with nature any more than the
> fine-tuning of theistic evolution does - Behe
>
>
>
> God directs the evolutionary process by determining the outcome
> of quantum processes involved in mutations - is one way of dealing
> with the randomness issue. I wonder if Behe would be willing to
> accept something like that. - George Murphy
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