Re: Question for Clergy

The issue isnt transformation vs resuscitation. I certainly think the body
is transformed. The issue is whether or not the physical body that dies has
any "real" connection to the transformed spiritual body. I think that this
resurrection can occur with no body at all, there is no continuity between
the physical and the spiritual body, the continuity is between the soul, and
the new resurrected spiritual body.

I do think that Christ is a unique case, since his body is the only one that
was without sin, and therefore did not decay.

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From: "Jon Tandy" <tandyland@earthlink.net>
To: <asa@calvin.edu>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:19 PM
Subject: RE: Question for Clergy

>I don't we can completely answer what our resurrected bodies will be like,
> since the apostle John confessed, "it doth not yet appear what we shall
> be"
> (1Jn 3:2).
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> I suppose the question ought to be turned around. If the resurrection
> does
> not bring forth the self-same body that was laid to rest in the grave, in
> similar form and deformities, then how is it that Jesus' body still bears
> the marks of the crucifixion? (John 20:25-27)
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> Since the marks in Jesus' resurrected body are the "red herring" which
> leads
> to all the other speculative questions concerning the general
> resurrection,
> it is fair to ask whether this is a faulty premise. Perhaps a "fallacy of
> generalization" is at work, if one takes Jesus as the special case and
> tries
> to reason that all other resurrected bodies will retain all their
> deformities in the same way. It is more likely that the marks in Jesus'
> hands and feet are indeed a special case, providing eternal evidence to
> those who stand before him in judgment that he has borne our penalty of
> sin
> in his own body. As others have said, resurrection is transformation not
> resuscitation. God had a purpose for Jesus' transformed body to retain
> those particular scars. There is no Biblical evidence that he retained(s)
> the scars on his back, only those wounds in his hands and feet which are
> evidence of the cross. In our case, there may not be any divine purpose
> in
> our retaining the old deformities of the body in a resurrected condition.
>
> I believe Job 33:24-25 is a prophetic description of one facet of the
> resurrection ("his skin shall be fresher than a child's"), although
> admittedly it would be difficult to prove from the text that it's not
> speaking allegorically. Phil 3:21 shows that whatever body we have in the
> resurrection, it is "glorious" as opposed to this present "vile" body.
> 1Cor
> 15:38-42 is also instructive that our bodies will be different, but as
> with
> Jesus we would have to assume they are recognizable in some way to our
> temporal bodies.
>
> Jon Tandy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
> Behalf Of drsyme@cablespeed.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:33 PM
> To: asa@calvin.edu
> Subject: Question for Clergy
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> If the correct interpretation of the resurrection of
> believers is that the self same body will be raised out of
> the grave, in the same way that Christs body was raised,
> how do you counsel people regarding things such as
> cremation, donating organs, terminal illness, and
> amputation?
>
> I am asking this question in all seriousness. If the same
> body is going to be raised how can this ocurr if the body
> was cremated and scattered in the ocean? Surely that
> "body" would be incorporated into other things, even other
> people over time. If someone has a progressive illness,
> would they be better off dying quickly to avoid further
> deterioration; or if someone needs an amputation to save
> their life, would they be better off dying from gangrene
> but still have all their limbs for eternity? If you are a
> cadaveric organ donor and they harvest your heart, lungs,
> liver, etc after you die, what happens after you are
> raised? There are many other implications to this idea,
> and frankly it is foreign to me.
>
> I must have missed the class that taught that our self
> same bodies will be raised after death. I never had the
> understanding that the self same body will be raised after
> death, so when I came to understand the preterist view, I
> quickly went from accepting partial preterism, (after I
> read RC Sproals "The Last Days According to Jesus.") to
> full preterism, because the biggest objection the partial
> preterist have with preterists is the nature of the
> resurrection body. But I already was believing along the
> same lines as the preterists, long before I knew what
> preterism was.
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