Re: Eschatology and The Beginning

I dont disagree with anything here, but is there any
continuity between the dead body, and the risen body? If
so, what is the nature of that continuity? How much of
the body is needed to be raised? What if there is no
body? What characteristics of the dead body will be
retained in the old body? If in fact the creation bodies
are new creations, is there any continuity at all between
the dead body and the raised spiritual body?

Christ was raised exactly (in a physical sense) as he was
when he died. Same age, wounds were still in place, that
sort of thing. Will all of our wonds, illnesses,
deformities be present?

Of course this raises the question of how much alike is
our resurrection and Christ's. I have mentioned this
before, that despite being called the firstfruits, there
are significant differences between Christ's dead body and
ours, mostly that our bodies decay (and this begins
immediately) but Christ's body did not see decay.

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:43:24 +0100
  "Michael Roberts" <michael.andrea.r@ukonline.co.uk>
wrote:
> The two extremes on understanding the Resurrection are
>that it was physical
> as we are now , and totally spiritual in which Jesus'
>body rotted away in the tomb. These are followed by
>extreme Fundamentalists and Liberals respectively. Iain
>suffered a "sermon" by Andy Mackintosh on a literal
>physical resurrection recently (which ignored or denied 1
>cor 15)
>
> The best way to see what happened is to say that Jesus
>rose bodily but not physically and that his body in the
>words of Tom Wright was TRANSPHYSICAL. Consider the
>biblical evidence
>
> Gospels
> 1. empty tomb - i.e. body gone , either stolen or risen
> 2. seen by and spoke with many - women, disciples,
>including Thomas, walk to Emmaus
> 3. eat food
> 4. passed through the doors of the upper room (John 20)
>
> Letters
> Key passage 1 Cor 15
> 1. seen by many
> 2 rose.
> 3. picture of earthly and spiritual body.
>
> All this should be clear from a bible study unless you
>insist of the myopic lenses of Fundamentalism or Liberal
>theology
>
> We should avoid saying that Jeus rose physically as this
>implies the same physical body .
>
> It is best to always refer to the bodily resurrection,
>and possibly use Wright's term TRANSPHYSICAL
>
>For a long read 700pages+ see Wright on the Resurection.
>
> Also not that the Resurrection is a NEW Creation, with
>Jesus as the first of that new creation. Wright expounds
>thsi and also argues that 1 Cor 15 has Gen 1-3 lying just
>below surfce.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Michael
Received on Thu Apr 20 08:49:55 2006