Re: The wrong horse in evolution education

IMO, there is clearly a relationship there, yes.
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From: "Bill Hamilton" <williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com>
To: <drsyme@cablespeed.com>; "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com>;
<Philtill@aol.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: The wrong horse in evolution education

>I have from time to time wondered whether the Dispensationalist
>interpretation
> of Revelation influences those who hold it to apply a young earth
> interpretation of Genesis.
>
> --- drsyme@cablespeed.com wrote:
>
>> I think that our understanding of the beginning is related
>> to our understanding of the end.
>>
>> Without getting into a lot of detail, I personally hold a
>> preterist view of eschatology. I am not expecting a
>> literal new heaven and earth. The old heaven and earth
>> was the law, the old covenant. The new heaven and earth
>> is the new covenant.
>>
>> So, not only does that interpretation change ones
>> understanding of what a new heaven and earth means, but it
>> also changes the time of its fulfillment. In the
>> preterist view, the new heaven and earth is here now, it
>> is not something to be expected.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 10:47:13 -0400
>> "David Opderbeck" <dopderbeck@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There's a broader theological question that's been
>> >nagging me regarding some
>> > of this discussion: how do our views of Adam through
>> >Babel relate to
>> > eschatology? By eschatology I don't mean to open up
>> >cans of worms
>> > concerning views of the millenium and such -- I mean the
>> >very basic concept
>> > that our future in Christ involves a new heaven and new
>> >earth, where
>> > "[t]here will be no more death or mourning or crying or
>> >pain, for the old
>> > order of things has passed away." (Rev. 21:4). If we
>> >demythologize, so to
>> > speak, Adam through Babel, what does that say about our
>> >mythos concerning
>> > the new heaven and new earth? I think this broad
>> >question is more critical
>> > at a gut level for many folks than the specifics of how
>> >we translate certain
>> > words or understand certain names in Genesis.
>> >
>> > On 4/17/06, Philtill@aol.com <Philtill@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In a message dated 4/17/2006 5:08:43 PM Eastern
>> >>Daylight Time,
>> >> williamehamiltonjr@yahoo.com writes:
>> >>
>> >> Phil wrote
>> >>
>> >> >The momentousness of the occaision makes sense only if
>> >>there was a long
>> >> period
>> >> of time had elapsed >when men **weren't** calling on the
>> >>name of the Lord.
>> >>
>> >> This means there must have been a very long >gap between
>> >>Adam and Enosh,
>> >> perhaps between Adam and Seth.
>> >>
>> >> Suppose by "men" the Scriptures mean pre-Adamites? IOW
>> >>the covenant
>> >> family's
>> >> mission finally begins to bear fruit.
>> >>
>> >> Hi, Bill!
>> >>
>> >> That's a very interesting idea, and I hadn't thought of
>> >>it before.
>> >>
>> >> Actually, as I think this through, I feel there is
>> >>another reasonable
>> >> explanation for this verse, one which doesn't
>> >>necessarily imply a gap
>> >> (although I still believe there was a gap). I think the
>> >>statement is part
>> >> of the stream toward fulfillment of God's promises to
>> >>Eve to bring the Seed
>> >> of the woman, the one who will crush the serpent's head.
>> >> After A&E were
>> >> kicked out of the garden, at least Abel was calling on
>> >>Yahweh's name. But
>> >> when Eve sees that Abel is dead and Cain has gone bad,
>> >>then there seems to
>> >> be no hope of fulfillment. But then God opens her womb
>> >>and brings another
>> >> child, which represents renewed hope that the promise
>> >>will be fulfilled. So
>> >> the birth of Seth and Enosh represents the renewal of
>> >>hope that a savior
>> >> will come through Eve. Hence her statement how God has
>> >>replace Abel, and
>> >> hence also the comment that then men began [again] to
>> >>call on the name of
>> >> the Lord. This statement "men began to call on the name
>> >>of the Lord" would
>> >> thus mean that there was a renewed path of descendency
>> >>toward the Messiah,
>> >> not just the evil ways of the world represented by the
>> >>line of Cain.
>> >>
>> >> By the way, it's an interesting study to write down the
>> >>meanings of the
>> >> names in Seth's line and the parallel names in Cain's
>> >>line, to see how the
>> >> latter are twisted versions of the former, giving them a
>> >>sinister meaning.
>> >> The overall picture of the names in Seth's line is that
>> >>they are waiting on
>> >> God, hoping in God, trusting and praising him. The
>> >>overall picture of names
>> >> in Cain's line is that they are building cities,
>> >>fighting among the cities,
>> >> living under judgement. This is brought to fulfillment
>> >>in the parallel
>> >> statements of Lamech in each line, where Seth's Lamech
>> >>talks of how Noah
>> >> will bring the promised rest, and Cain's Lamech talks
>> >>how the effects of the
>> >> curse have become worse and worse, 70 times 7.
>> >>
>> >> So after the Bible goes all through Cain's line with the
>> >>increasing curse
>> >> as humans build cities and develop civilization, then it
>> >>tells how Eve bore
>> >> another child and praised God that the hope has been
>> >>restored. It could be
>> >> that there was no gap and it was just presented in this
>> >>order to emphasize
>> >> the point, or it could be that there was really a gap
>> >>and Seth came late
>> >> after men had developed all this civilization. The idea
>> >>is that Adam came
>> >> before all this civilization development, though.
>> >>
>> >> God bless!
>> >> Phil
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>>
>
>
> Bill Hamilton
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Received on Wed Apr 19 00:47:10 2006