RE: The wrong horse in evolution education

Hi Chuck, you wrote:
 
>>I don't have a problem with Christ's sacrifice being retroactive (in
time)
so that it applies to Adam, Noah, David, etc., but would this apply to
those
who were not "OT saints"? Peter uses the qualifying statement "and some
[could be] be saved through Christ." What would then determine who
would be
included in the "some"? It cannot have been the knowledge of Christ
because
He came later. If not knowledge, could it be anything other than "good
works"?<<
 
Good question. How can people be accountable before Adam brought
accountability? And if just being a good person would qualify for
sainthood before Adam, why would the rules be any different today?
 
I think starting the hope of salvation from the time of Adam,
specifically through the Israelites, is as far as we can go. Anything
prior to that is speculative at best. Just acknowledging people before
Adam is a big progressive step. But trying to figure out how to save
those people is simply guesswork with no scriptural support. Which is
why I believe the "image" goes no further back in time than Adam.
 
Dick Fischer
Dick Fischer, Genesis Proclaimed Association
Finding Harmony in Bible, Science, and History
www.genesisproclaimed.org
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On
Behalf Of Tjalle T Vandergraaf
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2006 8:38 PM
To: 'Peter Ruest'; 'Dick Fischer'; 'Phil Metzger'; 'Jack Syme'; 'Janice
Matchett'
Cc: asa@calvin.edu
Subject: RE: The wrong horse in evolution education
 
Peter Ruest's comment raises all sort so red flags with me. He wrote,
in
part,
 
<snip>
"A question of time, of before and after, of inheritance, does not
enter.
Abraham (John 8:56) was saved through Christ, although he lived 2
millennia
earlier, and all OT saints were saved through Christ. So why can't
pre-Adamites be responsible before God, and therefore sin, after the
pattern
of Adam (modified by their amount of knowledge of God's law), and die -
and
some be saved through Christ? Christ is the pattern of the new humanity
(both before and after his time on earth), and Adam is the pattern of
the
old humanity (both before and after his time).
 
"At least for the time being, I see this as the most probable solution
of
the
time problem mentioned. It implies the rejection of the dogma of the
inheritance of an original sin. And I believe this dogma is not
biblical,
anyway. But of course, I retain the teaching that all humans are sinful,
lost, and in need of a Savior."
 
 
Am I missing something here?
 
Chuck
 
 
Received on Sun Apr 16 11:25:06 2006