Re: Trinity models (was Re: Physical Resurrection)

It is indeed the cross which in the most basic sense necessitates belief in God as Trinity. But it is the cross of Jesus - i.e., the event of his death outside Jerusalem circa A.D.30. It is not a general idea about sacrifice.

Shalom,
George

In a message dated 4/12/2006 11:34:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, gmurphy@raex.com writes:
> But it seems to me that Ross's error is more elementary - the notion that the doctrine of the Trinity is a logical or mathematical conundrum. 
> The Trinity is a logical paradox. The key to undersanding the Trinity (IMHO) is the self sacrifice (of the Cross). Only by abandoning the self does one make the self sacrifice. In ontology the self is the subject (me) in a world of objects (the things I perceive).
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> If the self is sacrificed, the subject (theoretically) no longer exists. The only thing perceived is the world of objects (God). It is only a holy spirit that can make the self sacrifice, hence three persons in one: God, the son (who gives his self back to God) and the holy spirit (that inclination/spirit that enables the son to give his self back to God).
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> Here is the definition of heaven from:
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> The Catholic Encyclopedia: “In heaven, however, no creature will stand between God and the soul. He himself will be the immediate object of its vision. Scripture and theology tell us that the blessed see God face to face.”
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>  The creature that stands between God and the soul is the body. Sacrifice the body and God becomes the immediate object of your soul's vision.
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> Interestingly enough, this is the basis for all mysticism, east and west and the only avenue for true ecumenism.
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> rich faussette
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Received on Wed Apr 12 13:47:58 2006