Re: Happy 6008th birthday, earth!!

Jim
I send this to list as others may want to know.

"Before the hills in order stood" JFC Fuller
The age of the earth from 4004BC to AD2002 Geol Soc of London Special Publication 190
London 2001 ISBN 1-86239-093-2

There are several other good articles, an excellent one by Martin Rudwick on de Luc and more geological ones.

A good read for all on the list , except for ostriches.

Michael
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  From: Hofmann, Jim
  To: Michael Roberts
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 6:32 PM
  Subject: RE: Happy 6008th birthday, earth!!

  Is Fuller's paper on Ussher available in some form? I've been looking for something like this for a while.

  Jim Hofmann

  California State University Fullerton

  http://nsmserver2.fullerton.edu/departments/chemistry/evolution_creation/web/

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  From: asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu [mailto:asa-owner@lists.calvin.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Roberts
  Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 10:00 AM
  To: christians_in_science@yahoogroups.com; asa@calvin.edu
  Subject: Happy 6008th birthday, earth!!

  Yesterday I went to a HOGG (History of geology Group) conference at the Geol Soc of London's base at Burlington House Piccadilly entitled frauds and hoaxes.

  There were about 70 there with 12 papers. The papers were on a variety of themes with 4 on Piltdown.

  Two were on YEC, one by Mike Howgate a marxist-atheist who gave an excellent summary of the conflict between the Creation Science Movement and Dave Tyler of the Biblical Research Society on the "Miocene Man" of Gaudelope. )Little did he know that I was providing historical info to Dave at the time) Along with Paluxy it was a good example of the desperate "science" YECs engage in. I gave a paper on the teaching of YEC at Emmanuel College Gateshead and how following the National Cirriculum and "critical thinking" provides the cloak for this. As I prepared for this I read all the Education lectures of the Chrsitan Institute (chairman is John Burn , first principal of Emmanuel) Most of the lectiures were by teachers at Emmanuel and argue forcibly for the teaching of YEC. As it is Emamnuel Coll and the CI have hoodwinked OFSTED (Govt education inspectors) and Tony Blair or Bliar who said that YEC is not taught in the school (but he also said there were WMD in Iraq ............................) I expressed my concern that City academies like Emmanuel are sprouting all over the North East of Engalnd, funded by Peter Vardy and british tax payers money, to teach such rubbish as the lunar craters becaused by Adam's fall!!!

  Martin Rudwick gave a good paper on questionable use of fossils and in questions was asked by someone citing Deborah Cadbury's book/novel The Dinosaur Hunters on why the church of Engalnd suppressed research into geology. Martin put the questioner down most firmly and dismissing such questions as nonsense.

  An oz gave a fine paper on an Indian geologist called Gupta who over 25 years published 400 fraudulent papers on palaeontology before he was rumbled. Another told us how bottled drinking water which is more expensive than petrol (gas to some) and differs from tap water by containing less Chlorine and more bacteria.

  John Fuller, formerly head geologist of BP - I think - gave a first rate paper entitled "Ussher, neither fraud nor hoax" who explained how Ussher got his date, which he did not do by adding up the dates in the OT - that should be obvious as the OT stops in about 400 BC. His key was 4 days of a thousand years before the Messiah plus 4 years due to an ommission in the early Julian calendar over the reign of Augustus. It was a careful piece of scholarship.

  And then a 6 o'clock Hugh Torrens of Keele proposed a toast to Ussher on the exact time of the creation of the universe.

  It was a very enjoyable occasion which for one question, was marked by a total absence of any antagonism to Christianity over science.

  Just some food for thought .

  Michael Roberts

     
Received on Sun Oct 24 14:42:34 2004